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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    "I don't know what they're looking for...but I haven't seen them take anything."
    Does this idiot truly not understand what the issue is? Millions loaned out and the company goes under faster than a pancake flipped in a skillet. . .adn he doesn't understand what's wrong?

    Well - then that explains everything that happened at Solyndra: they put their company in the hands of fools.
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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    If the money trail is seedy and there are legal implications, I don't really see a problem with the raid.

    Are we focusing on this case because of bankruptcy or because it's a "green energy" company? Because frankly, any company that doesn't play by the rules deserves to have the full weight of the law come down on them. Part of our economic recovery should involve holding businesses more accountable for their practices.
    It shouldn't include giving a business like this a half billion dollars.

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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It shouldn't include giving a business like this a half billion dollars.
    Well that's how a lot of businesses start - if they were a real business and turned into success then it wouldn't matter - they would have profited, paid back those federal low-interest loans.

    But I still agree: the federal government shouldn't be loaning anything ot anyone - that's what individuals and banks are for.
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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Typical lib response when painted into a corner with facts, change the subject as fast as possible and hope your opponent bites on lure you are trolling with. Sorry, troll elsewhere.
    Ockam is a liberal?

    That is hilarious.

    So much for you being credible.

    The classic sign of a no-skill debater is when they rely upon labeling people rather then addressing their arguments. Just like you did.
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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Ockam is a liberal?

    That is hilarious.

    So much for you being credible.

    The classic sign of a no-skill debater is when they rely upon labeling people rather then addressing their arguments. Just like you did.
    I agree, I actually like what Ockman has to post most of the time.

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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    And that makes hyperbolic projection justified?
    Hyperbole has no need for justification - it's purposes are many and diverse. From a-political and partisan to the academic and tactical. Hyperbole can have many faces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    All we know right now is that a company that received half a billion lied about it's finances and then filed bankruptcy. All one can conclude at this point is gross mismanagement or criminal activity of those that ran the company. Taking it beyond that at this point is HIGHLY speculative.
    Certainly it's speculative - however looking beyond the specifics it identifies a few economic points and may reflect badly on the "green jobs" initiatives and policies that government is pushing. The lesson I gain from this is that the "green" sector is no better or worse than the legacy sectors such as "big oil" or others and it also tells me that the public appetite for "green" is more difficult when it comes during a bad economic downturn. We may want to help our planet but not at the cost of sacrificing our individual futures or at risk of what little savings/wealth the middle class can claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Under this logic, anyone making loans to a failed business is as culpable in it's failure as those actually responsible for working the business plan.
    I believe that always has been the case. The loan manager who makes a corporate loan which defaults is not praised, nor is the underwriter or the attorney's involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    The investigation is starting where it should... and must progress where the actual evidence leads. If that doesn't stop until the white house, so be it... but to make proclamations absent an investigation is emo-reactionism... don't care which two parties are involved.
    My only point is if there is illegality - regardless of the politics - the law must be applied as well as the punishment. I couldn't care less if it's a Democrat or a Republican. To reiterate: Dirty is dirty - let the chips fall where they may.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    And that makes hyperbolic projection justified?

    All we know right now is that a company that received half a billion lied about it's finances and then filed bankruptcy. All one can conclude at this point is gross mismanagement or criminal activity of those that ran the company. Taking it beyond that at this point is HIGHLY speculative.

    Under this logic, anyone making loans to a failed business is as culpable in it's failure as those actually responsible for working the business plan.

    The investigation is starting where it should... and must progress where the actual evidence leads. If that doesn't stop until the white house, so be it... but to make proclamations absent an investigation is emo-reactionism... don't care which two parties are involved.
    We also know that those honchos of Solyndra made 20 visits to the Oval Office and that DOE people were sitting in on the meetings.

    So, yeah, when a company swindles the government out of a half billion dollars, heads need to roll.
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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Instead of everyone just assuming the worst about their least favorite politician or group, why don't we wait to see what actually happens? We will probably look less idiotic if we all display a little bit of patience.

    Remember how people reacted when the French guy from the world bank (or WTO or something) got arrested and it turned out to be nothing?
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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I agree, I actually like what Ockman has to post most of the time.
    I pay attention to the post not the name in the room, if you don’t think changing the subject from Obama to Cheney is not a typical lib tactic and you call yourself conservative, I’m at a loss for words. It does remind me of listening to radio shows where people call in saying “I’m a conservative but” not saying you are one, just saying you remind me of that.

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    Re: FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Instead of everyone just assuming the worst about their least favorite politician or group, why don't we wait to see what actually happens? We will probably look less idiotic if we all display a little bit of patience.

    Remember how people reacted when the French guy from the world bank (or WTO or something) got arrested and it turned out to be nothing?
    But this 'patience' approach flies in the face of the 'jump to conclusions' approach which seems much more suitable.
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