Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

[lpast]

I find this surprising...considering all the banter from the right that Romney is a Rino


Texas Gov. Rick Perry may be surging in polls of Republican primary voters, but his party's Insiders aren't convinced he'd be the best general election candidate. More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week's National Journal Political Insiders Poll.


Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012 - Hotline On Call

 

[haymarket]

Thank you for this article. It appears to be dead on and accurate in its evaluation. The reality is that the GOP has made a deal with the devil and is now worried about paying off their end of the contract. They have made this unholy alliance with the tea party and far right and felt that they could maintain their control of both the GOP and the nominating process but simply use the righties as raw numbers to win elections. But the GOP establishment has discovered that they cannot control the tea faction and their chances in 2012 could be greatly diminished based on who emerges as the nominee. While most were celebrating their significant victories in 2010, others were looking deeper and looking at the results from O'Donnell, McMahon,Engel and others and they were sobered by them.

Since Reagan, the GOP has tended to be a "its your turn" party regarding their top of the ticket nominee. They go for the obvious front runner and this time that is thought to be Romney. The resulting nomination process is far more of a coronation that an actual contest.

But now they have been riding the tiger and the tiger is not easy to control let alone tame. The GOP could well end up in a Goldwater 64 situation or like the Dems in 72 with McGovern.

 

[lpast]

Just my personal opinion...I agree romney has a better chance to beat obama...now am I sure Romney will win the primary...umm no.

 

[Councilman]

With over a year to go it's still to early to tell who is the better choice to beat Obama.

All of the polls and speculation while interesting are meaningless this early in the game.

It's like deciding who is going to win a baseball game based on the first inning score.

 

[1Perry]

I'm unlikely to support Perry but this is a good reason for me to reconsider. If the insiders prefer Romney, Perry has to be a better candidate.

 

[Objective Voice]

I'm unlikely to support Perry but this is a good reason for me to reconsider. If the insiders prefer Romney, Perry has to be a better candidate.

Do you really mean that (portion in bold) or did you mean to say, "Perry has to become a better candidate"?

Unless you totally agree with Perry's statements from his 2010 book, "Fed Up[/URL]!," I really don't see how Gov. Perry can suddenly switch gears and turn himself into a more moderate GOP candidate. He, like Bachmann and Palin (should she ever get into the race) can appeal to their political base, but they'd never win the approval of Independent/Democrat voters. There is something to be said about crossover appeal in political elections.

 

[1Perry]

Do you really mean that (portion in bold) or did you mean to say, "Perry has to become a better candidate"?

I meant what I said.

Unless you totally agree with Perry's statements from his 2010 book, "Fed Up[/URL]!," I really don't see how Gov. Perry can suddenly switch gears and turn himself into a more moderate GOP candidate. He, like Bachmann and Palin (should she ever get into the race) can appeal to their political base, but they'd never win the approval of Independent/Democrat voters. There is something to be said about crossover appeal in political elections.

Indeed. Romney doesn't appeal to the base. It's why McCain has done so poorly. "Insiders" of either party are pretty clueless as to what the general population wants.

 

[fishinRod]

I'm unlikely to support Perry but this is a good reason for me to reconsider. If the insiders prefer Romney, Perry has to be a better candidate.

the media trying to pick the GOP candidate again

 

[Objective Voice]

the media trying to pick the GOP candidate again

Hmmm...interesting...and here I thought it was suppose to be the FoxNews viewers who made that choice. :roll:

 

[Objective Voice]

I meant what I said.

I wasn't trying to mock you. I was just alittle confused by your post and sought clarification.

Indeed. Romney doesn't appeal to the base. It's why McCain has done so poorly. "Insiders" of either party are pretty clueless as to what the general population wants.

Good luck with that choice [Perry]...you're gonna need it.

 

[pbrauer]

Just my personal opinion...I agree romney has a better chance to beat obama...now am I sure Romney will win the primary...umm no.

Perry is a much better candidate than Romney. Inspiration is zero.

In my opinion, Obama will win, despite the economy, facing either one. He is blessed with a very weak GOP field who are being yanked to the extreme right by the Tea Party.

 

[lpast]

I meant what I said.



Indeed. Romney doesn't appeal to the base. It's why McCain has done so poorly. "Insiders" of either party are pretty clueless as to what the general population wants.

No insult intended perry your a good example of the non traditional GOP minority. Reading between the lines of this article what screams out is that the Traditional Majority GOP is starting to stand against the minority far right teaparty types. Thats what I take from this...

 

[lpast]

the media trying to pick the GOP candidate again

Foxnews has already made it quite clear their choice is Perry...foxnews is media correct ?

 

[lpast]

Perry is a much better candidate than Romney. Inspiration is zero.

In my opinion, Obama will win, despite the economy, facing either one. He is blessed with a very weak GOP field who are being yanked to the extreme right by the Tea Party.

Im taking from this article that the Tradional Republicans are trying to yank the party back to the right away from the FAR RIGHT...no matter how our far right friends on this forum try to portray it....the far right teaparty is consistently losing favor with the american public.
I made the statement and prediction a few months ago...the more the teaparty put themselves out front the more talking they did...the more their real agenda would become clear to the mass's and they would be rejected...Ryans Plan rejection was the beginning

 

[haymarket]

I meant what I said.



Indeed. Romney doesn't appeal to the base. It's why McCain has done so poorly. "Insiders" of either party are pretty clueless as to what the general population wants.

So just who was it that picked McCain as the GOP standard bearer in 2008?

 

[Goshin]

I'm still studying Perry. I have not yet decided whether to support his candidacy or not. Time will tell.

I don't like Romney. He's just too much of an insider, too much of a politician in the worst sense of the word. Keep voting for mediocrity and you get mediocre government.

Having said that, if he emerges as the GOP candidate I will probably vote for him, mainly because he would likely have a pro-business administration and we desperately need one to pull out of this recession.

Doesn't mean I like him, just that he may end up being the lesser of two weevils. :lol:

 

[Goshin]

So just who was it that picked McCain as the GOP standard bearer in 2008?

The 2008 GOP primaries were a huge cluster-****. Candidates entered and dropped out like flies on fresh garbage laced with DDT. Nobody good really wanted to be Prez just then, because most people could see that the economy was going in the toilet and there was little that could be done to stop it yet. McCain was something of a "there's nobody really good left running, we're tired of it all, vote for the most senior candidate and screw it all" half-arse winner.

McCain so utterly failed to distinguish himself against Obama that the outcome was all but foregone. Why vote for Obama-lite (McCain) when you can vote for full-flavored Obama?

Romney is also, IMO, a cup of weak tea whose middle-of-the-roadness will likely be very uninspiring.


My disgust with both parties continues unabated.

 

[1Perry]

I wasn't trying to mock you. I was just alittle confused by your post and sought clarification.

No, I didn't take it as you were. It was a legit question to ask. It's good to see a valid question now and then.

Good luck with that choice [Perry]...you're gonna need it.

I refused to vote for McCain and I've not once felt bad about that decision. He's actually reinforced it for me since then. If it comes down to Obama and Romney, I care care less who wins. I'm really can't get excited over Perry either.

Makes the inevitable dart throwing so much easier.

 

[1Perry]

No insult intended perry your a good example of the non traditional GOP minority. Reading between the lines of this article what screams out is that the Traditional Majority GOP is starting to stand against the minority far right teaparty types. Thats what I take from this...

No insult taken. Many of those who were asked this were many of those who went along with many of the things that got us where we are today. I'm certainly not insulted to be excluded from them.

 

[1Perry]

Im taking from this article that the Tradional Republicans are trying to yank the party back to the right away from the FAR RIGHT...no matter how our far right friends on this forum try to portray it....the far right teaparty is consistently losing favor with the american public.
I made the statement and prediction a few months ago...the more the teaparty put themselves out front the more talking they did...the more their real agenda would become clear to the mass's and they would be rejected...Ryans Plan rejection was the beginning

People continue to paint the Tea Party as "far right" but yet never come up with any examples that would be "far right". Balancing the budget is an extreme fringe position? Paying for things you want is extreme?

 

[1Perry]

So just who was it that picked McCain as the GOP standard bearer in 2008?

It was a default position. According to many he had "earned it" simply by lasting so long. Heck, he couldn't even garner enough support before that to beat a weak George Bush.

 

[haymarket]

The 2008 GOP primaries were a huge cluster-****. Candidates entered and dropped out like flies on fresh garbage laced with DDT. Nobody good really wanted to be Prez just then, because most people could see that the economy was going in the toilet and there was little that could be done to stop it yet. McCain was something of a "there's nobody really good left running, we're tired of it all, vote for the most senior candidate and screw it all" half-arse winner.

McCain so utterly failed to distinguish himself against Obama that the outcome was all but foregone. Why vote for Obama-lite (McCain) when you can vote for full-flavored Obama?

Romney is also, IMO, a cup of weak tea whose middle-of-the-roadness will likely be very uninspiring.


My disgust with both parties continues unabated.

thank you Goshin for an honest answer. Perhaps there is some truth in what you say. However, lets look back - if McCain was not the best pick - who would have been in your opinion?

Honestly, I do not see how the GOP could have done any better than McCain with the field they had. I do concede that if McCain had picked Romney as his VP, they possibly could have made some really headway late in the campaign when the economy crashed and burned as Romney could have exploited his business background - but we will never know for sure.

 

[haymarket]

It was a default position. According to many he had "earned it" simply by lasting so long. Heck, he couldn't even garner enough support before that to beat a weak George Bush.

But what you just described seems to be the modern history of the GOP nomination.

 

[lpast]

People continue to paint the Tea Party as "far right" but yet never come up with any examples that would be "far right". Balancing the budget is an extreme fringe position? Paying for things you want is extreme?

Insisting on nothing but tax cuts for the rich and corporations and stripping all entitlements and stating no one has a right to a pension or health benefits and attacking public workers as overpaid and attacking unions as socialists and refusing to compromise is far right...but i think you know that

 

[Fiddytree]

I find this surprising...considering all the banter from the right that Romney is a Rino


Texas Gov. Rick Perry may be surging in polls of Republican primary voters, but his party's Insiders aren't convinced he'd be the best general election candidate. More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week's National Journal Political Insiders Poll.


Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012 - Hotline On Call

I don't know if I buy that. Perry is a probable great unifier of the party, despite poor judgment on certain speaking engagements. Romney isn't necessarily there. He's certainly running a better campaign, but I don't know if he can end it with the GOP, let alone craft a platform vision.