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Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

Huntsman would obliterate Obama. The independent vote would be the most lopsided we've ever seen. A rational, moderate Republican for getting the state out of your life, who's economic record isn't built upon non-replicable energy and federal funding, and hasn't made crazy statements would hand Obama his pink slip. It's no wonder why Obama got real close to Huntsman right after his resignation. The last candidate the Democrats want to face is Huntsman.

Yes, and the least likely candidate as well. It makes me wonder whether the Republican Party really wants to win the White House. Maybe the strategy is to continue to snipe from the sidelines, instead of playing the game.
 
I don't say this much...

I agree with you 100%.

Its the lack of name recognition and the fact that the media and the Republican establishment have done a good job labeling him as a "moderate" rich isn't really correct that's gong to do him in. Its a pity because I do really think he'd have the best shot at beating Obama.

The only Repub i'd even consider is Huntsman. If he got the nomination without veering right I would consider voting for him, even though I personally believe its critical to thwart those who believe this election is worth investing the money they are. I honestly believe a Repub victory in '12 would be really BAD for the country. I don't want to see American people shoved down to second world status so our fiscal "teams" can compete in the current game of global Monopoly.

But maybe not with Huntsman. He sounds much more like the kind of conservative I grew up around, whose values color mine to this day, liberal as I am.
 
I don't say this much...

I agree with you 100%.

LOL. I'm not the nicest person. It's hard to agree with me 100% of the time.

Its the lack of name recognition and the fact that the media and the Republican establishment have done a good job labeling him as a "moderate" rich isn't really correct that's gong to do him in.

Well, it's not just that as why Huntsman is DOA. The Republican Candidate for 2012 is, barring any shift of power to the adults in the GOP, going to be chosen by the emotional voters. Huntsman is hardly their candidate. For that reason alone, IMO, Huntsman is laying the groundwork for 2016 or 2020. He knows he can't win. Huntsman is having a difficult time getting the Tea Party on board. While he's likely to shine in the North East where Republicans are for the most part moderates, that won't win him the nomination. I suspect Bachmann will tank in the North East and Perry is going to slide. Those GOP voters have always demanded substance and honestly, those two are somewhat substance free.

Its a pity because I do really think he'd have the best shot at beating Obama.

Not only does he have the best shot, he's entirely likely to actually win. Huntsman doesn't have the social conservative baggage that the rest of the GOP candidates have. In that aspect alone he can take youth voters from Obama. Furthermore, his recent science statements criticizing the GOP are a big push for independents to leave Obama. Rather than risk a GOP candidate who denies many basic scientific facts, they'd have a choice between two candidates who believe and accept proven science. Huntsman has many strengths that would systematically strip specific groups of voters from Obama that the other GOP candidates simply do not have.
 
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thus sayeth the "libertarian" :roll:.




but in general, yes, Perry can beat Obama.

Do you really think Perry is any more a Libertarian than Obama? He looks to me to be way on the authoritarian side.

Of course, it's hard to tell just where he does stand. Sometimes, I think it's wherever he thinks his audience stands.

Does he still support Al Gore?
 
Huntsman would obliterate Obama. The independent vote would be the most lopsided we've ever seen. A rational, moderate Republican for getting the state out of your life, who's economic record isn't built upon non-replicable energy and federal funding, and hasn't made crazy statements would hand Obama his pink slip. It's no wonder why Obama got real close to Huntsman right after his resignation. The last candidate the Democrats want to face is Huntsman.

You are absolutely correct. The saving grace for us Democrats though is....the GOP is never going to nominate a rational candidate.
 
thus sayeth the "libertarian" :roll:.




but in general, yes, Perry can beat Obama.

Perry is completely unelectable....two questions:

(1) How do you expect Perry to win Florida with his stances on social security and medicare

(2) What mathematical formula are you using that the GOP can win the whitehouse without Florida?
 
You are absolutely correct. The saving grace for us Democrats though is....the GOP is never going to nominate a rational candidate.

I love it when liberals believe they know best what is best for the GOP. It is indeed humorous.
 
Perry is completely unelectable....two questions:

(1) How do you expect Perry to win Florida with his stances on social security and medicare

(2) What mathematical formula are you using that the GOP can win the whitehouse without Florida?

I am 66 nd have been retired for nearly two years. I agree far more with Perry on Social Security than Romney. As for Florida, I never try to predict something that is 14 months in the future. There could be many states that went for President Obama in 2008 that could go Republican next year. If that happens, the formula might not have to have Florida.
 
I am 66 nd have been retired for nearly two years. I agree far more with Perry on Social Security than Romney. As for Florida, I never try to predict something that is 14 months in the future. There could be many states that went for President Obama in 2008 that could go Republican next year. If that happens, the formula might not have to have Florida.

You obviously don't follow the electoral circuit much. Sure, the election is far off, but anyone who follows the electoral college can tell you there are certain states are are almost 100% safe Red or Blue. Then you take the states that may not be 100% safe, but still mathematically secure Blue/Red. Then you have the swing states.

Sure...a lot of things can change, but in the last 2 decades, there has not been a mathematical equation that gets to the 270 required for Republicans without including Florida in the mix, unless......the GOP carries every one of the swing states, which is not likely barring a landslide.

Perry is not a landslide candidate. At best, he would pull it off in a very close race....and without Florida there is little liklihood of that happening. Why do you think that so many people like me hope that the GOP nominates an extreme right candidate like Perry, Bachman or Palin?

The GOP's best chance at beating Obama is Huntsman or Romney....and there is no way that the wacko base goes for either of those candidates. So....as a Democrat, I'm feeling pretty good about the chances of Obama being re-elected, even in a struggling economy like we have.....Why? Because although people such as yourself might want an extreme far-right candidate, moderates and independents do not. And you cannot win the whitehouse with only your base.
 
You obviously don't follow the electoral circuit much. Sure, the election is far off, but anyone who follows the electoral college can tell you there are certain states are are almost 100% safe Red or Blue. Then you take the states that may not be 100% safe, but still mathematically secure Blue/Red. Then you have the swing states.

This goes to show how much you actually know versus what you think you know. I am well aware of the electoral votes.

Sure...a lot of things can change, but in the last 2 decades, there has not been a mathematical equation that gets to the 270 required for Republicans without including Florida in the mix, unless......the GOP carries every one of the swing states, which is not likely barring a landslide.

With President Obama's ratings, a GOP landslide is within the realm of possibility.

Perry is not a landslide candidate. At best, he would pull it off in a very close race....and without Florida there is little liklihood of that happening. Why do you think that so many people like me hope that the GOP nominates an extreme right candidate like Perry, Bachman or Palin?

Actually, I could care less about why liberals want what they want. I am not convinced that Perry will be the candidate.

The GOP's best chance at beating Obama is Huntsman or Romney....and there is no way that the wacko base goes for either of those candidates. So....as a Democrat, I'm feeling pretty good about the chances of Obama being re-elected, even in a struggling economy like we have.....Why? Because although people such as yourself might want an extreme far-right candidate, moderates and independents do not. And you cannot win the whitehouse with only your base.

The independents thought they had a reasonable candidate in Obama in 2008. My guess is most are very dissatisfied and I believe the polls show that. The "wacko" base of the "extreme leftwing" will stay with Obama, but many will be more than willing to cast him aside. Ergo, watch out! Now, go take your "fanatical extremist leftwing liberal" thoughts and keep them under wraps until after the election so that the rest of the "crazies" of the "radical extremist leftwing socialists" don't go into their normal mantras. Oh, and you have no idea as to what candidate I support. Again, you think you know far more than you actually do.
 
This goes to show how much you actually know versus what you think you know. I am well aware of the electoral votes.



With President Obama's ratings, a GOP landslide is within the realm of possibility.



Actually, I could care less about why liberals want what they want. I am not convinced that Perry will be the candidate.



The independents thought they had a reasonable candidate in Obama in 2008. My guess is most are very dissatisfied and I believe the polls show that. The "wacko" base of the "extreme leftwing" will stay with Obama, but many will be more than willing to cast him aside. Ergo, watch out! Now, go take your "fanatical extremist leftwing liberal" thoughts and keep them under wraps until after the election so that the rest of the "crazies" of the "radical extremist leftwing socialists" don't go into their normal mantras. Oh, and you have no idea as to what candidate I support. Again, you think you know far more than you actually do.

You couldn't be more wrong. Read up on the electoral college. Do a little research of how the college has gone the past three decades and then get back to me.
 
You couldn't be more wrong. Read up on the electoral college. Do a little research of how the college has gone the past three decades and then get back to me.

You already agreed that I could be correct. I'm satisfied with that result.
 
Actually, I could care less about why liberals want what they want. I am not convinced that Perry will be the candidate.

Let's hope not.

The independents thought they had a reasonable candidate in Obama in 2008.

Either that, or they thought that Obama was the lesser of the two evils. If the Republicans nominate Perry, they just might think so again.
 
Either that, or they thought that Obama was the lesser of the two evils. If the Republicans nominate Perry, they just might think so again.

That might be true, but may not be true. That is why I will patiently watch all of this unfold before us and as we learn more, we will have a better idea of how this will play out. Today is premature.
 
I am 66 nd have been retired for nearly two years. I agree far more with Perry on Social Security than Romney. As for Florida, I never try to predict something that is 14 months in the future. There could be many states that went for President Obama in 2008 that could go Republican next year. If that happens, the formula might not have to have Florida.

DisneyDude, take a look at the thread about Perry leading the GOP candidates in Florida.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/108465-rick-perry-leads-florida.html
 
Done deal. Barry Manilow has come out for Paul, so it's inevitable now.

Grammy award-winning musician Barry Manilow told The Daily Caller that he agrees with “just about everything” 2012 Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul says, calling him a “solid” contender for the highest office in the land.

“I like him. I like what he says, I do. I like what he says. I think he’s solid,” said Manilow, who confirmed to TheDC in an interview at the Capitol on Thursday that he contributed to Paul’s last campaign for president.


Barry Manilow | Ron Paul | Agree With Everything | The Daily Caller

Mandy as Paul's inaguration theme. What more could anyone hope for?
 
Mandy as Paul's inaguration theme. What more could anyone hope for?

Hmmm. Let's see now....

I remember all my life
Raining down as cold as ice
Shadows of a man
A face through window cryin' in the night
The night goes into

Morning just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory I never realized
How happy you made me

Oh Ronnie, well you came
and
You gave without taking
But I sent you away
Oh Ronnie, well you kissed me and
Stopped me from shaking
And I need you today oh,
Ronnie

I'm standing on the edge of time
I walked away when love was mine
Caught up in a world of uphill climbing
The tears are on my mind
And nothin' is rhyming

Oh Ronnie, well you came and
You gave without taking
But I sent you away
Oh Ronnie, well you kissed me and
Stopped me from shaking
And I need you today oh, Ronnie!

Yesterday's a dream, I face the morning
Cryin' on the breeze, the pain is calling

Oh Ronnie, well you came and
You gave without taking
But I sent you away
Oh Ronnie, well you kissed me and
Stopped me from shaking
And I need you today

Oh Ronnie, you came and
You gave without taking
But I sent you away

Oh Ronnie, you kissed me and
Stopped me from shaking
And I need you

Naw! I don't think that song will do it.:roll:

Maybe we should check out Weekend in Texas. Woof!
 
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