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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So just who was it that picked McCain as the GOP standard bearer in 2008?
    It was a default position. According to many he had "earned it" simply by lasting so long. Heck, he couldn't even garner enough support before that to beat a weak George Bush.

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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The 2008 GOP primaries were a huge cluster-****. Candidates entered and dropped out like flies on fresh garbage laced with DDT. Nobody good really wanted to be Prez just then, because most people could see that the economy was going in the toilet and there was little that could be done to stop it yet. McCain was something of a "there's nobody really good left running, we're tired of it all, vote for the most senior candidate and screw it all" half-arse winner.

    McCain so utterly failed to distinguish himself against Obama that the outcome was all but foregone. Why vote for Obama-lite (McCain) when you can vote for full-flavored Obama?

    Romney is also, IMO, a cup of weak tea whose middle-of-the-roadness will likely be very uninspiring.


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    thank you Goshin for an honest answer. Perhaps there is some truth in what you say. However, lets look back - if McCain was not the best pick - who would have been in your opinion?

    Honestly, I do not see how the GOP could have done any better than McCain with the field they had. I do concede that if McCain had picked Romney as his VP, they possibly could have made some really headway late in the campaign when the economy crashed and burned as Romney could have exploited his business background - but we will never know for sure.
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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It was a default position. According to many he had "earned it" simply by lasting so long. Heck, he couldn't even garner enough support before that to beat a weak George Bush.
    But what you just described seems to be the modern history of the GOP nomination.
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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    People continue to paint the Tea Party as "far right" but yet never come up with any examples that would be "far right". Balancing the budget is an extreme fringe position? Paying for things you want is extreme?
    Insisting on nothing but tax cuts for the rich and corporations and stripping all entitlements and stating no one has a right to a pension or health benefits and attacking public workers as overpaid and attacking unions as socialists and refusing to compromise is far right...but i think you know that

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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I find this surprising...considering all the banter from the right that Romney is a Rino


    Texas Gov. Rick Perry may be surging in polls of Republican primary voters, but his party's Insiders aren't convinced he'd be the best general election candidate. More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week's National Journal Political Insiders Poll.


    Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012 - Hotline On Call
    I don't know if I buy that. Perry is a probable great unifier of the party, despite poor judgment on certain speaking engagements. Romney isn't necessarily there. He's certainly running a better campaign, but I don't know if he can end it with the GOP, let alone craft a platform vision.
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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Insisting on nothing but tax cuts for the rich and corporations and stripping all entitlements and stating no one has a right to a pension or health benefits and attacking public workers as overpaid and attacking unions as socialists and refusing to compromise is far right...but i think you know that
    You forget they rhetorically want tax cuts for *everybody*, which also happens to include the rich and the corporations. Rhetorically they are for streamlining entitlements, not stripping all entitlements. They do attack many public workers as overcompensated in benefits more often than being overpaid in terms of strict salary (though that happens from time to time as well). Unions are often compared to socialism by them, or at least seen as misguided, but formerly useful entities. There is rhetoric for refusing to compromise, but that's not really far right so much as it is being stubborn and/or being confident in your hand.
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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Insisting on nothing but tax cuts for the rich and corporations and stripping all entitlements and stating no one has a right to a pension or health benefits and attacking public workers as overpaid and attacking unions as socialists and refusing to compromise is far right...but i think you know that
    I think you know that this is just **** you made up. That hardly counts. If I say that you have sex with your dog, that makes it so?

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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You forget they rhetorically want tax cuts for *everybody*, which also happens to include the rich and the corporations. Rhetorically they are for streamlining entitlements, not stripping all entitlements. They do attack many public workers as overcompensated in benefits more often than being overpaid in terms of strict salary (though that happens from time to time as well). Unions are often compared to socialism by them, or at least seen as misguided, but formerly useful entities. There is rhetoric for refusing to compromise, but that's not really far right so much as it is being stubborn and/or being confident in your hand.
    I disagree they want huge tax cuts for the rich and corporations, they want to abolish the inheritance tax and the capital gains tax and they want to pay for that by taking off the working class and middleclass and poor....and that is precisely what teaparty elected govs in Nov have done in their states.....

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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I think you know that this is just **** you made up. That hardly counts. If I say that you have sex with your dog, that makes it so?
    Actually what im starting to know is everything you disagree with is just bull**** in your mind...evidently everything you dont like to hear has been made up.

    Perry every teaparty gov...Pig Christie, Rick Scott, Scott Walker, John Kasich....rolled into office gave tax cuts to either corporations or the wealthy or BOTH and then categorically attacked their state workers and took from them...in the case of walker all he took from his workers went for his tax cuts NOTHING went to deficit reduction
    Paul Ryans plan attacked social security and medicare and medicaid.....put huge copays in play that scaled and got higher..lowered benefits raised retirement age..and in the SAME BILL...it gave a whopping 28% reduction in corporate taxs and ONLY the top bracket richest americans...it abolished the capitol gains and Abolished the inheritance tax...it supposedly cut some tax loopholes but the cbo said it didnt cut the deficit anywhere near what he said...it was a candy store bill for the rich at the expense of the middleclass workers and the poor..

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    Re: Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I find this surprising...considering all the banter from the right that Romney is a Rino


    Texas Gov. Rick Perry may be surging in polls of Republican primary voters, but his party's Insiders aren't convinced he'd be the best general election candidate. More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week's National Journal Political Insiders Poll.


    Insiders: GOP Would Be Better Off With Romney for 2012 - Hotline On Call
    Wel, duh! Romney has a real chance of winning the election, should he be able to get past the religious nutters on the extreme fringe of the Republican Party and get the nomination. The mainstream voters simply aren't going to want to vote for Bachmann or Perry.

    Huntsman is another one who would have a shot at winning the election, and might actually make a good president, if he can get past the "RINO" label and win the nomination.
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