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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess that why all the Left wing ideas have so far, failed; because the Lefties have it all figured out?
    Cap and trade was successful and apparently that is now a radical left-wing agenda.
    Reagan was a socialist.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It was a money laundering scheme...pure and simple.

    Someone would probably go to the joint, if not for the DOJ spending so much of it's time exporting weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
    It would help if you had any idea what you are talking about.

    Solyndra and the other manufacturers are facing a huge influx of Chinese competition. Competition that is not only receiving subsidized loans, but subsidized utilities and subsidized rent. It's no wonder that firms like Solyndra can't compete when its competitors are in no way playing fair. In many ways, the Chinese are basically dumping solar panels.

    The great thing about your hypocrisy is that people like you are against the very kind of subsidies that are allowing foreign firms to drive American business into the ground.
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That is one lame assed argument.

    Which one of those companies received a half-billion dollars in government handouts and flopped within 12 months?

    Aren't Libbos opposed to corporate welfare?
    How many of those are facing foreign competitors where their foreign governments give their cheap rent, cheap utilities and cheap loans? Furthermore, a business loan is not a handout.
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's a bit troubling that the administration fast tracked this big ass loan without properly vetting the company or the risk... but when it comes to light that some of the capital loaned to this company came from a Democratic party fundraiser and billionaire George Kaiser ( whom the taxpayers with pay back though obama's loan guarantee program).. it makes more sense.... seems that it was a political move from the start. there is not enough information, as of yet, to say whether there is corruption involved or not.
    What is more troubling is that the loan was approved without further promise of backing. The Chinese are basically playing dirty here. Giving their companies cheap rent, cheap loans and cheap utilities. The amount given to Solydra could not have allowed them to fight a very one sided fight. With that in mind, the loan probably shouldn't have been given as the solar market is hardly "free."

    an investigation is taking place ( by house republicans), but as is the case with most investigations of this sort, nothing will come of it..and taxpayers will be out 535 million bucks.
    True. But this is a good example that the "no subsidies, we believe in a free market" people are basically ignorant. They expect American firms to dominate without government support against competitors who are basically at the trough of their governments. Couple that with forced IP transfers, lax labor and environmental laws and it's no wonder we're getting trounced.

    as a side note, there are 38 billion bucks , spread over 40 "green" companies left out there.... and they are not producing anything of note.
    EIA Report: Renewables Surpass Nuclear Output
    EIA Report: Renewables Surpass Nuclear Output | Renewable Energy News Article

    Nothing of note you say?
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Cap and trade was successful and apparently that is now a radical left-wing agenda.
    Reagan was a socialist.
    Most diehard Reagan fans have idealized fantasies of what Reagan did that bear no resembles to what Reagan actually did in office. Considering the last crop of Republican Presidents, it's no wonder Reagan holds such a position. Bush Sr, was good but boring. Nixon was a crook. Ford is hardly a candidate to worship. Eisenhower is a liberal in today's world. Who's left? Reagan.
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    SE102 summed it up well, and I am not sure you have any idea what money laundering is. You remind me of Charlie from Sunny in Philly talking about the mysterious "vig". Hey apdst, since you are an expert on the green energy market, what percentage of the market share has gone under? I know you have no idea so it is a rhetorical question (ie. you don't have to answer because I know you do not know the answer).

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    Also by your logic, banks do not work either, since almost all of our major ones failed in 2008 and had to be bailed out. Here is a list of (a few of the) banks (lenders) that had to be bailed out or shut their doors in 2008:1

    1) Allco Finance Group
    2) Countrywide Financial
    3) IndyMac Bank
    4) Lehman Brothers
    5) Madoff Investment Securities
    6) Yamato Life Insurance Company
    7) Wachovia
    8) et al

    Just to name a few. Or, from the same link, Airlines in 2008:

    1) Aloha Airlines
    2) Apex Aircraft
    3) ATA Airlines
    4) eos Airlines
    5) Frontier Airlines
    6) Silver State Helicopters
    7) Silverjet
    8) Skybus Airlines
    9) et al

    I guess banks and airlines are a lost cause (and airlines are subsidized!). Great call man!
    I've got a problem with your list. I happen to be in the aviation industry and knew something was suspect with your Frontier Airlines listing.

    Frontier Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While they declared bankruptcy due to their credit card processor withholding ticket sales, they are back and merged with midwest airlines. They are definitely still in business. In fact, they are the only airline to receive the FAA's diamond maintenance award for 10 years straight, where at least 25% of their maintenance personnel have received further training beyond the minimum required by the FAA. They are the only airline to have 100% of their mechanics having received this additional training.

    When is the last time you've heard of a Frontier airline plane going down?
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post

    When is the last time you've heard of a Frontier airline plane going down?
    I think you missed his point. whysoserious is using the list as proof that adpst's logic is half baked at best, truly idiotic at worse.

    Your further information just proves that firms that some times good firms have problems, some of them out of their control. In the same way that Frontier had cash flow issues , Solyndra faced completely unfair competition.
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Most diehard Reagan fans have idealized fantasies of what Reagan did that bear no resembles to what Reagan actually did in office. Considering the last crop of Republican Presidents, it's no wonder Reagan holds such a position. Bush Sr, was good but boring. Nixon was a crook. Ford is hardly a candidate to worship. Eisenhower is a liberal in today's world. Who's left? Reagan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Cap and trade was successful and apparently that is now a radical left-wing agenda.
    Reagan was a socialist.
    Care to give us some examples?
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It would help if you had any idea what you are talking about.

    Solyndra and the other manufacturers are facing a huge influx of Chinese competition. Competition that is not only receiving subsidized loans, but subsidized utilities and subsidized rent. It's no wonder that firms like Solyndra can't compete when its competitors are in no way playing fair. In many ways, the Chinese are basically dumping solar panels.

    The great thing about your hypocrisy is that people like you are against the very kind of subsidies that are allowing foreign firms to drive American business into the ground.
    It's still no excuse for pissing away a half billion dollars in my money to support this company.
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    Re: Solyndra shuts its doors

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to give us some examples?
    Like at the time, one of the largest tax hikes in US federal history?
    How about a massive bailout of Social Security?
    Let's not forget the massive spike in debt.
    And prolonging stagflation.

    Cap and trade:
    The Political History of Cap and Trade | Science & Nature | Smithsonian Magazine

    You'd look less foolish if you used google before you replied to people.

    It's still no excuse for pissing away a half billion dollars in my money to support this company.
    Probably. The Chinese have been playing dirty with solar well before Solyndra got its funding and that should have reduced, if not stopped the loan. That said, their tube technology was worth investing it. The capacity to capture energy from basically all angles independent of the sun's angle is quite a feat.

    But my point is still you don't understand the solar industry.

    Btw, you're still a hypocrite. You hate subsidies to American firms (except for your own industry) and then lament when they get driven into the ground by foreign firms at the trough of their foreign subsidies. You are basically demanding American industries (except your own) to fight a very unfair fight against foreign competition and then you blame Obama when they fail. And then you blame Obama when he tries to level the playing field. It's really just blame Obama with you. And you run away from backing him when he does things you NORMALLY favor. Rocket asked you at least five times why competition is bad in the AT&AT thread and you ran from every question as you'd have to admit Obama did the right thing.
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