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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    The question to ask is why do they have 80% of the market share? It may not all be economics. Is it they actually do have better coverage, service and plans? My experience in Arizona is Verizon has the best remote area coverage. It also seems to have great coverage when I travel to other States.
    True, but the problem with this mentality is once a large corporation takes hold of such a vast swath of market share, they choke out competition. I understand that's always been how the game of big business is played, but let's not forget how Bell South once took economic advantage of all of us by doing then what credit card/banks, Internet Service Providers and cable companies are doing to us now - claiming so much market share that they raise your rates by charging "hidden fees" and jacking up prizes with no rationale for doing so.

    To put it in perspective, it's one thing for a company to offer a sale on a product or service at a certain prize for a limited time. Most customers of cable companies, for example, will jump on a discounted price for cable services for 2-years with the understanding that their rate will increase after that 24-month period. But then when you get your bill after that 2-year period not only do you notice the cost increase - which again, you agreed to when you accepted the service - but you also suddenly find all these "additional charges" in some cases listed as "Misc. Service Fee" of some sort for things you had no idea you'd be subjected to when you agreed to the contract. In other words, your limited time offer for 2-years of service at $29.95/mo suddenly balloons to $59.95/mo and you're left wondering, "Where the hell did those charges come from," and you never really get a straight answer from the service provider. Then the next thing you know your bank account is hit...your credit/debit card is heavily charged and you find yourself deep in debt and for what? Some company sought to dominate market share?

    I hear of or read about these types of stories all the time. It gives certain businesses/industries a bad name. Still, for those who say it's the customer's fault that the failed to read and understand their service contract, I say I hope you have a magnifying glass and an attorney next to you as you read. The details are literally in the fine print, but who can honestly read that stuff? This was, in part, what financial reform was about - protecting the everyday consumer from such immoral business practises. So, if all facets of the telecommunications industry are doing these things now, what makes you think a company that once had a terrible reputation of doing this - in fact, I'd say AT&T pioneered the practise - what makes you think they'll do right by their customers once they absorb T-Mobile into their clutches?

    It's like another poster said, Verizon does provide a good quality service (although I do think their prize is rather high). But if this AT&T/T-Mobile merger is allow to go through they'll get drowned out and the only way the cell phone industry will be able to compete is if the fed breaks them up just as it did Bell Telephone years ago and force them to become smaller divisions of itself.

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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but you did say,

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88
    I'm just not going to knee-jerk hate on Obama because of who he is.
    and we all know what the means in Libbo-ese.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Did I say anything about his race? Nope, you were the one who brought it up. I meant because he's a Democrat.
    The man clarified the meaning behind his words. Let's not make fringe racial arguments where there aren't any. If you truly hate the man's policies then own up to that, but don't get upset when someone points out your parties hypocrisy - same goes for the other side. And don't try to turn the issue around by playing the race card - a charge many of you on the Right claim Liberals constantly do. Frankly, I see very little evidence of that, but we've already had this debate. So, let's just stick with the topic at hand, shall we?

    Either you're for monopolies dominating a vast majority of market share or you're for competition within a free market system. But you can't have both!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, you know the one y'all are always crying about Obama ruining (re: the free market system). Until he does something to preserve it, then you attack him for that.
    Check and mate!!!
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    More smoke and mirrors trying to get out of that corner .......... and you are not even good at it either since it so painfully obvious.

    So again

    Who is making the case that the federal government can




    as you allege in your interpretation of what you think liberals believe?
    We know what liberals believe, cause you're there to tell us every damn day.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Say what? That may be the most asinine comment I've seen on this forum outside of the basement. The purpose isn't to serve business in way business wants it to work. If we did that, we'd be enacting barriers to entry, barring technologies that make established firms irrelevant otherwise stemming all forms of competition from the current members of commerce. The last thing members of commerce want is competition. Government partially exists to prevent collusion.
    Lol, not exactly what I said or meant.

    Pot, meet kettle.
    I'm not sure. Are you sure you understand what I even said? From what you just said I'm going with no.

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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Government helps create monopoly, government allows monopoly to expand, government breaks up monopoly, government goes after non monopoly.
    Make up your minds here.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol, not exactly what I said or meant.
    Let's see what you said:

    "The purposes isn't to make sure competition stays alive but that commerce stays flowing the way the members of the commerce desire."

    How is what I stated wrong in the context of your quote?

    Or are you out of tricks once someone cites your own words you can't weasel out of?

    I'm not sure. Are you sure you understand what I even said? From what you just said I'm going with no.
    If you are using English, then I completely understand your point. I'm also correct in pointing out it's asinine. Now if you meant you were using another language that appears to look like English but really means something entirely different, please inform us of what you actually meant in your native tongue.

    I have a feeling you got pegged and you don't have a way to weasel out of this.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    So far from the Cons in this argument:

    No legal, Constitutional, or economic arguments. "I hate Obama for being alive" argument -- check.


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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So far from the Cons in this argument:

    No legal, Constitutional, or economic arguments. "I hate Obama for being alive" argument -- check.
    Not to mention that Obama is actually at fault for defending consumer choices. Keeping competition alive something Obama should be criticized. It's no wonder that Apdst is running away from that question.

    What amuses me is that Adpst seems to think that 5,000 short term jobs is something to be in awe of. Considering the payroll of both T-mobile and AT&AT any merger is likely to result in far more then 5,000 people losing their jobs. There are going to be major cuts as departments are consolidated and technology removed. Remember that AT&AT and T-Mobile don't use the same network systems. Likely T-mobile is going to get the axe. All of the jobs related to that tech are going to be cut. Harping on 5,000 new short term jobs while ignoring the coming job cuts is a sign you either didn't bother to think your argument though, or you're jumping on anything to attack Obama on.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.



    AT&T has a monopoly on GSM now... not the market but GSM instead of CDMA. They're really struggling to find anything to block it.
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