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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who is making the case that the federal government can



    as you allege in your interpretation of what you think liberals believe?
    Tell me what about those bailouts votes of GM and that good part of the company they had there for a bit. You think that falls under the commerce clause? Or maybe it falls under the necessary and proper clause, or maybe its the general welfare clause. Well, what is it?

    And by the way, what exactly do YOU believe about this clause in the Constitution?
    That is a bit of a stupid question, don't you think? Maybe to a liberal or a conservative they would consider how they want it to be, but I'm not a liberal or a conservative. If I was going to use what I wanted it to mean it wouldn't do as much as I said it did, so drop this line of argument.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So lets see if I understand this retarded unlimited power liberal argument. The idea is the government can regulate commerce, regulate business, sue business, and take over business whenever they please because they can "regulate" interstate commerce. Wow, and you can't see how that is ****ing retarded? The entire point of the commerce clause was to make sure everything was running smoothly and no one was mad at each other. They were meant to be the middle man in the process when things went bad, not the controlling force of all things commerce. To liberals though they damn well know that means disputes, but No, no, that is way to hard to follow. I mean, where is the power?? Yeah, exactly. So take your stupid ass and move along.
    Ah, I see. Your interpretation of the Constitution is that is was written so that you can insult people.


    How is less competition good? Still waiting for an explanation of why basic economic principles of the free market are wrong in this case. If the government has any role in commerce, it is exactly this -- to prevent monopolies and oligarchies because of how they distort the economy. In other words, how their existence fundamentally changes the competitive dynamic of a market economy. You said "They were meant to be the middle man in the process when things went bad." Monopolies and duopolies are the biggest example of things going bad.

    I don't expect you to answer this honestly, because all you've shown you can do here is yell and scream. That's all Cons have been able to do in this whole argument. Not one of them has been able to demonstrate why competition is bad or why the government has no authority. Just yell and scream about "I hate Obama for breathing."

    I know it's so hard to understand that people can have nuanced views -- I didn't necessarily agree with all the bailouts and stimuli. I don't support Obama's re-election. But hey, I think the administration may be right here, so obviously I follow them blindly. I mean, that's the only possible explanation, right?


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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So because it's in the Constitution, they should pass a law or sue someone? I thought the Constitution was an old 300 year old piece of paper written by slave owners.
    You should have read the OP which I wrote that in response to. The question asked was "How is this even Constitutional?" My response is that it's Constitutional because the Constitution says it is.


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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, I see. Your interpretation of the Constitution is that is was written so that you can insult people.
    Like I said to Haymarket this isn't my interpretation.

    How is less competition good? Still waiting for an explanation of why basic economic principles of the free market are wrong in this case. If the government has any role in commerce, it is exactly this -- to prevent monopolies and oligarchies because of how they distort the economy. In other words, how their existence fundamentally changes the competitive dynamic of a market economy. You said "They were meant to be the middle man in the process when things went bad." Monopolies and duopolies are the biggest example of things going bad.
    Lets make this real simple so you can follow along. I will now write one word...

    Peacemaker.

    The purposes isn't to make sure competition stays alive but that commerce stays flowing the way the members of the commerce desire. Now have a wonderful labor day.

    I know it's so hard to understand that people can have nuanced views -- I didn't necessarily agree with all the bailouts and stimuli. I don't support Obama's re-election. But hey, I think the administration may be right here, so obviously I follow them blindly. I mean, that's the only possible explanation, right?
    No, you just believe in grade school understandings of things you might want to actually study on your own.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Tell me what about those bailouts votes of GM and that good part of the company they had there for a bit. You think that falls under the commerce clause? Or maybe it falls under the necessary and proper clause, or maybe its the general welfare clause. Well, what is it?



    That is a bit of a stupid question, don't you think? Maybe to a liberal or a conservative they would consider how they want it to be, but I'm not a liberal or a conservative. If I was going to use what I wanted it to mean it wouldn't do as much as I said it did, so drop this line of argument.
    Your tactic of trying to evade a direct question by asking more in return only serves to shine a spotlight on the intellectual vapidness of your original argument.

    You seem to revel in your Frankenstein monster interpretation of what liberals believe but then you are impotent to provide any actual evidence of this when challenged on it.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The purposes isn't to make sure competition stays alive but that commerce stays flowing the way the members of the commerce desire.
    So competition =/= important?

    That's Econ 101, maybe you should educate yourself before expounding on a free market economy.

    No, you just believe in grade school understandings of things you might want to actually study on your own.
    Since all you have is insults, we'll just assume that you have nothing to add to the conversation.


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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So competition =/= important?

    That's Econ 101, maybe you should educate yourself before expounding on a free market economy.
    that isn't important to the meaning of clauses.



    Since all you have is insults, we'll just assume that you have nothing to add to the conversation.
    That one actually wasn't an insult.

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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your tactic of trying to evade a direct question by asking more in return only serves to shine a spotlight on the intellectual vapidness of your original argument.
    I guess the fact that democrats in office that you probably work for supported it and used the lame brain argument of the commerce clause means nothing.

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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I guess the fact that democrats in office that you probably work for supported it and used the lame brain argument of the commerce clause means nothing.
    Even though you intentionally did not place a question mark as punctuation on that statement, you did it yet again. It is as if you cannot help it.
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    Re: Obama Administration Sues AT&T to stop its Merger with T-Mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Even though you intentionally did not place a question mark as punctuation on that statement, you did it yet again. It is as if you cannot help it.
    Facts are facts honey. Liberals loved the bailout that were in office. Be it a republican liberal or a democrat liberal. They loved it.

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