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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Maybe, but it's a start. I don't see anyone putting up proof to the paranoid claims that welfare recipients are mostly abusing the system. It's all speculation. At least this is an actual attempt at verification. It's not surprise to me that the results are not very dramatic. Too bad FA had to spend so much money on it.
    Personal experience thus far has taught me the opposite, although I don't limit my definition of welfare to just direct cash payments.
    To me, it also includes food stamps, medicaid, etc.

    In many cases, the mother of children gets the food stamps in her name, while the father also benefits but is not listed on the form as an income earner.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Why is it so important that unemployed people don't get high in their spare time? They have serious problems. They need something to make it easier. Why is it so important to deny them some pleasure?
    They're supposed to be so broke that they can't afford those things.
    They kind of attest to that by getting on social aid programs in the first place.
    It's a form of fraud.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale
    Last I checked, a dime bag is waaaayyy cheaper than a college degree, or medical insurance, or any one of the many things that welfare recipients don't have. Besides, do you think it's right to inventory every single expenditure of a welfare recipient? Are they suddenly not allowed to spend money on enjoyment? Must they only purchase the cheaper brands of food, even if they don't taste as good? Must they get the fattier burgers, because they're a little cheaper? So, it's okay for government to be all up in someone else's life, but not yours, because your job pays a living wage, and theirs doesn't...
    Are they suddenly not allowed to spend money on enjoyment? No. Are they suddenly not allowed to spend my money? Yes, they're not allowed.

    I'm sorry that socialism subsidizes irresponsibility and economic inefficiency. Tell you what - if you want to create your own feel-good private charity and hand out joints at the local street corner on your own dime, knock yourself out. I won't attempt to stop you for one minute.

    That's the fun with liberals - they're experts on how to spend other people's money.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Are they suddenly not allowed to spend money on enjoyment? No. Are they suddenly not allowed to spend my money? Yes, they're not allowed.

    I'm sorry that socialism subsidizes irresponsibility and economic inefficiency. Tell you what - if you want to create your own feel-good private charity and hand out joints at the local street corner on your own dime, knock yourself out. I won't attempt to stop you for one minute.

    That's the fun with liberals - they're experts on how to spend other people's money.
    It's not just liberals. Conservatives spend money too. Conservatives have contributed to the deficit, and I'd guess, they have contributed more to the deficit than liberals have.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quite possible. Feel free to look it up.

    I never said conservatives were innocent, but I'd rather see my tax dollars spent bombing some third-world nation for oil interests than giving money to an irresponsible person to use irresponsibly. But hey, I'm kooky like that.

    I would be willing to wager that "conservatives" don't rack up unnecessary debt as much as liberals. Not that I classify him as such, but the most recent anecdotal evidence would be Bush. Want to compare him to Obama for 2 minutes? I bet I come out on top.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Quite possible. Feel free to look it up.

    I never said conservatives were innocent, but I'd rather see my tax dollars spent bombing some third-world nation for oil interests than giving money to an irresponsible person to use irresponsibly. But hey, I'm kooky like that.

    I would be willing to wager that "conservatives" don't rack up unnecessary debt as much as liberals. Not that I classify him as such, but the most recent anecdotal evidence would be Bush. Want to compare him to Obama for 2 minutes? I bet I come out on top.
    Killing for oil seems kindof evil to me. Not for paying for drugs either. But, not sure I'd support either.

    BTW, I think it's a leap to suggest we're paying for drug use. I suspect it is a bit more complicated than that. Just saying.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    Killing for oil seems kindof evil to me. Not for paying for drugs either. But, not sure I'd support either.
    Sometimes it's a necessary evil.

    BTW, I think it's a leap to suggest we're paying for drug use. I suspect it is a bit more complicated than that. Just saying.
    I'm not saying 100% of welfare recipients are using money for drugs. I'm not even saying most are. Maybe they just use money they steal instead.

    Honestly though, all I'm saying is that the action of not-necessarily-the-few may indeed be hurting the many. Even if it takes money to do so, I would feel a little better knowing that welfare was spent where the overwhelming majority of the people are on the up-and-up. Then again, I've just always been against using subsidies to impede or negate social Darwinism.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You have to love Cons, they have such simple answers to a extremely complex problems.

    What would you propose to do instead? Unfortunately, your solution would be the beginning of another story.
    Why do you argue so dishonestly? One person makes a remark and rather than address that person you condemn an entire group of people.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That sounds strange, and I wouldn't trust a myth like that... Maybe they aren't testing for pot or maybe they are doing other things, like that drink mix that cleans the urine.
    No myth. Sorry.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Personal privacy... I didn't think you needed it spelled out to you. Random drug tests violate several amendments, most notably the fourth and ninth. But you don't seem to think that matters.

    Edit: And fourteenth.
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