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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Cocaine is a little expensive for deadbeats, at least in non crack form.
    which is why they all smoke crack. cheap and easy to get. and, as I said, easy to beat a drug test that you know is coming. not like weed that is detectable in your system for weeks.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    It would be nice to just systematically eliminate welfare and just increase the amount of shelters or halfway houses or whatever you call them. If you're that poor and hungry, you get a small room (maybe to yourself, or if not with a roommate or two), food, maybe some job training or assistance with other things like clothes and what-not. Just essentially limit it to "three hots and a cot". Then you don't have to worry about abuse of the system or direct funds - at least not as much.

    At that point, then you can tell who the genuine ones are. I'm sure there are tons of homeless people who would love to have a roof over their heads and a few warm meals anyday. The handout crowd and the addicted, not so much. Sifting achieved.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    which is why they all smoke crack. cheap and easy to get. and, as I said, easy to beat a drug test that you know is coming. not like weed that is detectable in your system for weeks.
    We dont have tests for some of the new **** that they are using now. Bath salts...formaldehyde...geeeezus...

    Just legalize pot already...

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Because if they can afford that crap then they don't need to be collecting welfare! If they're honestly stupid enough to spend their money on drugs when they need to buy food then I have no sympathy for them if they starve.
    Last I checked, a dime bag is waaaayyy cheaper than a college degree, or medical insurance, or any one of the many things that welfare recipients don't have. Besides, do you think it's right to inventory every single expenditure of a welfare recipient? Are they suddenly not allowed to spend money on enjoyment? Must they only purchase the cheaper brands of food, even if they don't taste as good? Must they get the fattier burgers, because they're a little cheaper? So, it's okay for government to be all up in someone else's life, but not yours, because your job pays a living wage, and theirs doesn't...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Someone needs to check their math Using the figures in this article there is no way the cost of drug testing 1500 (top end...the article suggests 1000-1500) at $30 a pop, thats an outside max of 540,000 in costs for the tests, not $178 million. The $178 million figure is the total cost of the welfare program. Once the program is in place they should simply conduct random unannounced tests. Most folks can clean up for three days for their months worth of free cheese.
    Totally in agreement here. Clearly the bill of rights doesn't include poor people. That's the price they pay for being shown a little compassion. If we have to take on the burden of saving them from starvation, then they shouldn't be able to have basic civil rights. This is America, folks, where you're only a citizen if you make at least 30k a year.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    I agree with your rationale to some extent but at the end of the day I ask myself, do I really want the government taking money out of my hard-earned paycheck to give to someone so they could buy food, which they could have bought in the first place if they didn't spend it on _______ (insert drug of choice here)?

    I understand that addiction is a very powerful thing, however I know from experience that people will use the "power of addiction" as an excuse for being too lazy, too self absorbed to wake up and smell the coffee and take control of their own life.
    I agree. However cutting off addicts because they use (hey...guess what addicts do...) only ensures they will continue to be addicts. Now, take them off the welfare roles and DONT get them additional help. Guess how much they are going to cost you? I guarantee it will be a helluva lot more. A single ER visit will more than dwarf your monthly medicare cost. A hospitalization will fully absorb your annual welfare costs. Im not suggesting you let them continue...Im saying use the program, identify who needs help, then attempt to get them help. If they dont take advantage of it, then you cut them off, or adjust services.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Last I checked, a dime bag is waaaayyy cheaper than a college degree, or medical insurance, or any one of the many things that welfare recipients don't have. Besides, do you think it's right to inventory every single expenditure of a welfare recipient? Are they suddenly not allowed to spend money on enjoyment? Must they only purchase the cheaper brands of food, even if they don't taste as good? Must they get the fattier burgers, because they're a little cheaper? So, it's okay for government to be all up in someone else's life, but not yours, because your job pays a living wage, and theirs doesn't...



    Totally in agreement here. Clearly the bill of rights doesn't include poor people. That's the price they pay for being shown a little compassion. If we have to take on the burden of saving them from starvation, then they shouldn't be able to have basic civil rights. This is America, folks, where you're only a citizen if you make at least 30k a year.
    Where does the Bill of Rights state the federal government should be responsible to pay for individual citizens? Or for that matter the states (since we are discussing state programs)?

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

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    Totally in agreement here. Clearly the bill of rights doesn't include poor people. That's the price they pay for being shown a little compassion. If we have to take on the burden of saving them from starvation, then they shouldn't be able to have basic civil rights. This is America, folks, where you're only a citizen if you make at least 30k a year.
    wow, didn't realize that the "right" to use illegal drugs was part of the bill of rights. remind me...what number is that again?

    if you are dependent on the charity or others for your survival, then you have to accept any limitations they put on said charity. you don't like it??? don't accept the check

    every winter in my area there are at least a couple of winos/bums who freeze to death under a bridge somewhere because they would rather drink/do drugs than give them up for a bed in a shelter. hard to feel much sympathy for someone who chooses drugs over life.
    Last edited by OscarB63; 08-29-11 at 12:37 PM.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Where does the Bill of Rights state the federal government should be responsible to pay for individual citizens? Or for that matter the states (since we are discussing state programs)?
    Personal privacy... I didn't think you needed it spelled out to you. Random drug tests violate several amendments, most notably the fourth and ninth. But you don't seem to think that matters.

    Edit: And fourteenth.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wow, didn't realize that the "right" to use illegal drugs was part of the bill of rights. remind me...what number is that again?

    if you are dependent on the charity or others for your survival, then you have to accept any limitations they put on said charity. you don't like it??? don't accept the check

    every winter in my area there are at least a couple of winos/bums who freeze to death under a bridge somewhere because they would rather drink/do drugs than give them up for a bed in a shelter. hard to feel much sympathy for someone who chooses drugs over life.
    I think maybe he realizes he was just talking out of his ass again...unless he has some mystery version of the BoR that include Mandatory State Welfare Payments.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Personal privacy... I didn't think you needed it spelled out to you. Random drug tests violate several amendments, most notably the fourth and ninth. But you don't seem to think that matters.
    Right to privacy is all good...until you decide you want to partake of someones programs. Does your employer have a right to conduct drug tests? And you think drug tests just impact the poor? What world do you live in?

    i guess you missed the part where I stated the intent should not be to punish individuals but rather to identify those that require different/greater need. Yes...because Im an evil greedy bastard.
    Last edited by VanceMack; 08-29-11 at 12:46 PM.

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