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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It depends on the test and what drug the person has been taking, how much and for how long

    Blood and urine tests are good for shorter periods of time. Hair samples will pick up drugs for a much longer period of time

    For low to moderate uses, cocaine will be out of the system in a few days, pot, a fair bit longer (hair testing picks up pot quite well months from the time of taking (provided a period of heavy use)

    Heroin, I cant comment on, neither do I have enough knowledge to comment on speed, or MDMA and how easily they are detected after time. I expect herion to be fairly easily detected.


    I have never heard of the mouth swab method for detecting drugs. I cant see that being very effective as the metabolites are more concentrated in the blood and urine rather then the saliva
    I'm by no means an expert, but it's my understanding that virtually every controlled substance besides marijuana clears the system within a matter of days for drug testing purposes. Obviously this depends partially on the type of test.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not making accusations. I'm just curious what sort of test they are gave? I have twin 20 year old sons. They smoke some pot. eh, anyway they've got a lot of jobs lately through the local jobs agency. They have to take a drug test whenever they get hired. I asked them about being able to pass them. They told me they are gave a swab to put in their mouth. According to them as long as you don't put your tongue on it, you pass.
    If they are only getting two percent, then it raises questions. Are there too few to worry about, thus making the test a waste of money? Or did we waste money doing the test wrong? Or the wrong test?

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Oh, sorry, I read it another place, but dont recall where. I don't want to look it up right now where it was, but a google of "Florida drug test welfare urine" would probably find it if you are interested in knowing.
    Thanks, I'll take your word for it. A urine test should be accurate enough.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If they are only getting two percent, then it raises questions. Are there too few to worry about, thus making the test a waste of money? Or did we waste money doing the test wrong? Or the wrong test?
    I would expect in the US the most popular drugs for those on welfare would be pot, crack, and meth

    Crack and Meth from what I read would be picked up, while pot would not using the swab test
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If the ACLU believes it's unconstitutional then they should just pursue action against that and stop prancing around - it was debated, enacted and finally put into full swing and is now going on and they still haven't done it. Do they care or not?
    Yes they care but they know they would likely lose. I have to get drug tested at work. I have an option if I would rather not. Quit. Same here. Now if someone decided that to vote you needed to take a drug test that would get tossed very quick.

    You have an option here and welfare is not a Constitutional gaurantee.

    The state should upfront pay for the test - no one should have to pay out of pocket. If one fails then they just don't get benefits and maybe they pay back the $30.00

    2% is still high in my opinion for how few people they tested and for how short of a time they've done the testing.
    Yes, having to pay up front can be problematic IMO. There have been times I didn't have $30. Then if the numbers applying drop by 25% you can not conclude it was because they were on drugs and didn't want to be tested. Maybe they just didn't have $30.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If they are only getting two percent, then it raises questions. Are there too few to worry about, thus making the test a waste of money? Or did we waste money doing the test wrong? Or the wrong test?
    I would agree. 2% of the total IMO would not be worth the effort. Now maybe I'd institute a random test. It would keep a percentage of even that 2% clean. If it was below 2%, it's certainly not worth the effort. It's why I said we need accurate numbers without anyone trying to politicize it. Hopefully they are.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
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    So much for that myth. Thanks for wasting money on hysteria over something that is barely a problem.

    Many of the alleged "leeches" on welfare now are the people who, until 2 years ago, were part of a functional work force and were productive contributors to economy. Now their lives are in chaos, their investments for the future are disintegrating before their eyes, and they are reduced to lesser prosperity. So... let's kick them while they're down and imply that they're drug abusers as well!
    I suspect that the percentage will rise once the economy is back on track. Currently we have a LOT of people hurting that otherwise would not be seeking aid. I believe that once our economy returns to normal that only then can we have a more reliable number of drug users seeking assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test



    So much for that myth. Thanks for wasting money on hysteria over something that is barely a problem.

    Many of the alleged "leeches" on welfare now are the people who, until 2 years ago, were part of a functional work force and were productive contributors to economy. Now their lives are in chaos, their investments for the future are disintegrating before their eyes, and they are reduced to lesser prosperity. So... let's kick them while they're down and imply that they're drug abusers as well!
    If this only covers TANF then it's incomplete and not a myth.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If this only covers TANF then it's incomplete and not a myth.

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    Maybe, but it's a start. I don't see anyone putting up proof to the paranoid claims that welfare recipients are mostly abusing the system. It's all speculation. At least this is an actual attempt at verification. It's not surprise to me that the results are not very dramatic. Too bad FA had to spend so much money on it.

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    Maybe the new mandate convinced some to get OFF drugs. The higher % demographic of drug users matches that of higher % of welfare recipients. I find it hard to believe welfare recipients in FL are the exception.

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