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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I lived in the "hood". I don't remember it. It was somewhere around 79th and Euclid avenue in Cleveland Ohio. This was well before the Cleveland Clinic built in that area. My dad worked on Hough Avenue. They had squat but they knew that they wanted something better than 79th and Euclid. We moved to a dinky trailer in the suburbs. My dad constantly looked for a better job and was able to get on with Cleveland Crane. Luckily he continued to try and better his situation as they went under in the early 80's but he had already been gone from there.

    People can find rare circumstances where things absolutely out of your control happen but your life is what you make it.
    So am I to understand your father did this without the state or federal government coming in to assist?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

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    98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test



    So much for that myth. Thanks for wasting money on hysteria over something that is barely a problem.

    Many of the alleged "leeches" on welfare now are the people who, until 2 years ago, were part of a functional work force and were productive contributors to economy. Now their lives are in chaos, their investments for the future are disintegrating before their eyes, and they are reduced to lesser prosperity. So... let's kick them while they're down and imply that they're drug abusers as well!
    I'd like to see the results of random/surprise drug testing of the same group, over a period of a few years. Somehow I believe it will be a bit higher.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So am I to understand your father did this without the state or federal government coming in to assist?
    No food stamps, no welfare. He had a few lucky breaks but I believe you create these breaks for yourself sometimes. He was laid off at Cleveland Crane and rather than collect unemployment he got a job driving a school bus. He didn't much care for this job and continued looking. He got hired on with the phone company. Just afterwards Cleveland Crane called him back and even though it was more money than he was making at the phone company he decided to not go back. Luck or wise choice, I dunno.

    He worked as a night trouble shooter at first (he went to night school for electronics while at Cleveland Crane). Back then the phone company office was actually very close to where we had lived on Euclid. I remember when he had to go to court because one night he was looking outside when he saw someone get shot. I'm sure he said to himself, "I'm glad we moved from here".

    As an aside, the idea of going to a trade school like my dad did seems to get dismissed quite a bit now also. I'm sure it helped him get hired at the phone company. In High School my dad was a screw off. My moms folks didn't much care for him. For some reason, he realized that he now had a wife and kid and had responsibilities. (He would have been about 21 when he moved (without my mom) to Cleveland to get a job as there was nothing much available where he was at.

    50 plus years later they are retired in a home they own and are doing well so nobody will ever convince me that others can't do the same.
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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'd like to see the results of random/surprise drug testing of the same group, over a period of a few years. Somehow I believe it will be a bit higher.
    Luckily letting right wingers violate poor people's privacy on some suspicion cooked up listening to hate radio and watching Fox News isn't a mistake people are likely to make twice after it turned out you were so embarrassingly wrong on exactly that issue so very recently...

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    No food stamps, no welfare. He had a few lucky breaks but I believe you create these breaks for yourself sometimes. He was laid off at Cleveland Crane and rather than collect unemployment he got a job driving a school bus. He didn't much care for this job and continued looking. He got hired on with the phone company. Just afterwards Cleveland Crane called him back and even though it was more money than he was making at the phone company he decided to not go back. Luck or wise choice, I dunno.

    He worked as a night trouble shooter at first (he went to night school for electronics while at Cleveland Crane). Back then the phone company office was actually very close to where we had lived on Euclid. I remember when he had to go to court because one night he was looking outside when he saw someone get shot. I'm sure he said to himself, "I'm glad we moved from here".

    As an aside, the idea of going to a trade school like my dad did seems to get dismissed quite a bit now also. I'm sure it helped him get hired at the phone company. In High School my dad was a screw off. My moms folks didn't much care for him. For some reason, he realized that he now had a wife and kid and had responsibilities. (He would have been about 21 when he moved (without my mom) to Cleveland to get a job as there was nothing much available where he was at.

    50 plus years later they are retired in a home they own and are doing well.
    The phone company back in the day was a good deal and as sure as a retirement pension one could get. Your father is a rarity these days - someone who takes it upon himself to pick himself up, take some initiative and improve themselves and get a better job. To me, I'd have to be in very dire straits indeed to take government assistance but I would as a last resort. To me it's, unseemly to have to depend on the government. I agree with you about trade schools. My uncle and cousins were all sheet metal workers (union) and learned silversmithing and metal work through trade schools. We don't have enough of that today and it's a gap in my opinion. Trying to shove kids into college when they either don't have the want or drive to go is a mistake. Were I to do it over again, I'd probably have gone into electric or plumbing and hung out my shingle. My plumber does so very well for himself and he's never got a problem with a lack of work and after 12 years doing the work himself he now gets to hire plumbers who work for him and he supervises for the most part - except for a few customers he still does himself or where a large job requires him to be out on site.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The phone company back in the day was a good deal and as sure as a retirement pension one could get. Your father is a rarity these days - someone who takes it upon himself to pick himself up, take some initiative and improve themselves and get a better job. To me, I'd have to be in very dire straits indeed to take government assistance but I would as a last resort. To me it's, unseemly to have to depend on the government. I agree with you about trade schools. My uncle and cousins were all sheet metal workers (union) and learned silversmithing and metal work through trade schools. We don't have enough of that today and it's a gap in my opinion. Trying to shove kids into college when they either don't have the want or drive to go is a mistake. Were I to do it over again, I'd probably have gone into electric or plumbing and hung out my shingle. My plumber does so very well for himself and he's never got a problem with a lack of work and after 12 years doing the work himself he now gets to hire plumbers who work for him and he supervises for the most part - except for a few customers he still does himself or where a large job requires him to be out on site.
    Don't get me wrong. I really do not have a problem with helping people out. Just don't be bitchen when you refuse to better yourself.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Luckily letting right wingers violate poor people's privacy on some suspicion cooked up listening to hate radio and watching Fox News isn't a mistake people are likely to make twice after it turned out you were so embarrassingly wrong on exactly that issue so very recently...
    So no random drug testing then? Color me surprised...

    And aren't I wrong most of the time according to you?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So no random drug testing then? Color me surprised...
    I get that conservatives don't tend to acknowledge when they make mistakes, so I can see why you guys' pride is preventing you from giving the profuse apologies that you owe poor Floridians... But to double down when the objective evidence clearly shows that you were totally wrong? To fail to re-evaluate the sick assumptions you made that led you to much such a gross miscalculation on this? That just is not acceptable. You insulted many thousands of people based on vile and cruel stereotypes you worked up and it turned out that your stereotypes were completely wrong. In fact, I would guess that if you drug tested the general population you'd find a lot more than 2% on drugs, so you were not just wrong, you had it completely backwards. That doesn't give you pause? You aren't rethinking anything? You don't see that maybe it is possible that you got things wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And aren't I wrong most of the time according to you?
    Yes.

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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I get that conservatives don't tend to acknowledge when they make mistakes, so I can see why you guys' pride is preventing you from giving the profuse apologies that you owe poor Floridians... But to double down when the objective evidence clearly shows that you were totally wrong? To fail to re-evaluate the sick assumptions you made that led you to much such a gross miscalculation on this? That just is not acceptable. You insulted many thousands of people based on vile and cruel stereotypes you worked up and it turned out that your stereotypes were completely wrong. In fact, I would guess that if you drug tested the general population you'd find a lot more than 2% on drugs, so you were not just wrong, you had it completely backwards. That doesn't give you pause? You aren't rethinking anything? You don't see that maybe it is possible that you got things wrong?
    It's not pride, it's a lack of facts. I'm sure the numbers are very accurate given the tests were advertised and scheduled. A 2% - 4% who don't care seems reasonable. My point... well you know my point but you're not going to address my point. C'est la vie.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 98 Percent of Welfare Applicants Pass Drug Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not pride, it's a lack of facts. I'm sure the numbers are very accurate given the tests were advertised and scheduled. A 2% - 4% who don't care seems reasonable. My point... well you know my point but you're not going to address my point. C'est la vie.
    So, you admit that the tests you guys asked for were pointless, you just think they were pointless for a different reason than I do. Regardless, you admit you made a mistake and insulted a ton of people for no reason, right?

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