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    The stretch for the imagination involved in this scenario is that the Police think they have unusual powers and special rights. Getting your picture taken doing your job should be a matter of pride, but the fact that they fight this potential action indicates their fear of the general public finding out what they do on video or what they really do. The testimony might not be the same as the video so you suspect what?. Too often the case. Do we need protection from the Police? I think we do! There are lots of good cops, but noone seems to sort out the bad cops. Strong unions? Bad policies? Bad management? Heavy politics?

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    Re: First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Co

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's true. A lot of the decisions that gutted the fourth amendment came about in pursuit of furthering the war on drugs. A lot of the times when our rights are in conflict with the police is when hunting for contraband is involved.
    Spoken like somebody who is ignorant of the Constitution. The fourth amendment is doing just fine.

    You think it's been "gutted" because you happen to not like the laws that are being enforced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The next time some thug with a badge breaks a citizen's camera while cops are beating a homeless man to death, it's lawsuit time.
    So your plan to remedy systemic injustice is to take a police offer to small claims court over a broken camera?

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    What, not one post supporting the cops' right to secrecy while they use enhanced techniques to keep us safe and carry out the war on drugs? Not one?

    Finally, something on which we can all agree.
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    Re: First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Co

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The stretch for the imagination involved in this scenario is that the Police think they have unusual powers and special rights. Getting your picture taken doing your job should be a matter of pride, but the fact that they fight this potential action indicates their fear of the general public finding out what they do on video or what they really do. The testimony might not be the same as the video so you suspect what?. Too often the case. Do we need protection from the Police? I think we do! There are lots of good cops, but noone seems to sort out the bad cops. Strong unions? Bad policies? Bad management? Heavy politics?
    There must be a planetary alignment out there. This might be the first post by DaveFagan I agree with.
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    Re: First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Co

    Sorry but I have to laugh when I read this thread. Laugh at all the clueless mindless police haters.

    There are thousands upon thousands of police officers on duty at any minute of any day anywhere. Police Officer deaths have been rising dramatically...Officer deaths increased 37% in 2010 are increasing over that so far this year.
    Im going to cut this short because to be honest...cops dont care if you like them or not...the hugs they get from the people they help and save and their loved ones more than comepensates for the police bashers that see the miniscule amount of police actions gone wrong in the media.
    A large city precinct can have hundreds of calls an hour every day of the week...they get no thanks for the lionshare of those events, many of which threaten their well being, and cop haters want to make big hay over the one incident that finally hits the papers.....shrug, we dont care.
    If the day ever comes that YOU or yours really really need a cop and you call...and they dont come...video that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry but I have to laugh when I read this thread. Laugh at all the clueless mindless police haters.

    There are thousands upon thousands of police officers on duty at any minute of any day anywhere. Police Officer deaths have been rising dramatically...Officer deaths increased 37% in 2010 are increasing over that so far this year.
    let's add some context to this statement:
    ... "Every cop that's slain or otherwise killed in the line of duty is a horrendous situation, but the numbers fluctuate so much percentage-wise because it really is a low-base-rate phenomenon. So even a little movement from one year to the next can produce a high percentage of difference over the previous year," says Lorie Fridell, a criminologist who studies police behavior at the University of South Florida in Tampa. "But it is interesting to note that the slaying of cops has increased, but it's not moving in accordance with the violent crime rate." ...
    Why police officer deaths rose 37 percent in 2010 - CSMonitor.com
    and here is the real heart of your post:
    Im going to cut this short because to be honest...cops dont care ...
    now, i took that out of your intended context and emphasized the point i want to make
    when cops are aloof and no longer act as if they realize their power is to be used to protect the people, then the current public opinion of leos should not come as a surprise
    but then that too, is wrong, because cops have NO obligation to assist the common citizen. the leo's obligation is to his/her employer. and if that local government employer does not actively police the police, then we have authority running out of control
    the result is expanding negative opinion of law enforcement personnel by the man on the street

    ... if you like them or not...the hugs they get from the people they help and save and their loved ones more than comepensates for the police bashers that see the miniscule amount of police actions gone wrong in the media.
    A large city precinct can have hundreds of calls an hour every day of the week...they get no thanks for the lionshare of those events, many of which threaten their well being, and cop haters want to make big hay over the one incident that finally hits the papers.....shrug, we dont care.
    If the day ever comes that YOU or yours really really need a cop and you call...and they dont come...video that.
    often, they never arrive. that is part and parcel of the selective enforcement of the laws, which causes the citizen to believe that the cops may not be on their side. sometimes that is a false perception. but other times, unfortunately, that is a very accurate observation

    i get it. cops work in society's sewer every day. they tend to be surrounded by the least among us who need help the most. that work environment would naturally impact the cop's psyche
    after 9/11, first responders were exalted in a way i have never seen, in the span immediately after WWII. but that positive glow has been tarnished by their actions - or at least by the actions of a few allowed to remain within their ranks - in the ensuing 10 years
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    Re: First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Co

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's add some context to this statement:
    Why police officer deaths rose 37 percent in 2010 - CSMonitor.com
    and here is the real heart of your post:

    now, i took that out of your intended context and emphasized the point i want to make
    when cops are aloof and no longer act as if they realize their power is to be used to protect the people, then the current public opinion of leos should not come as a surprise
    but then that too, is wrong, because cops have NO obligation to assist the common citizen. the leo's obligation is to his/her employer. and if that local government employer does not actively police the police, then we have authority running out of control
    the result is expanding negative opinion of law enforcement personnel by the man on the street


    often, they never arrive. that is part and parcel of the selective enforcement of the laws, which causes the citizen to believe that the cops may not be on their side. sometimes that is a false perception. but other times, unfortunately, that is a very accurate observation

    i get it. cops work in society's sewer every day. they tend to be surrounded by the least among us who need help the most. that work environment would naturally impact the cop's psyche
    after 9/11, first responders were exalted in a way i have never seen, in the span immediately after WWII. but that positive glow has been tarnished by their actions - or at least by the actions of a few allowed to remain within their ranks - in the ensuing 10 years
    Suuuure ok your right of course.

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    Re: First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Co

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry but I have to laugh when I read this thread. Laugh at all the clueless mindless police haters.

    There are thousands upon thousands of police officers on duty at any minute of any day anywhere. Police Officer deaths have been rising dramatically...Officer deaths increased 37% in 2010 are increasing over that so far this year.
    Im going to cut this short because to be honest...cops dont care if you like them or not...the hugs they get from the people they help and save and their loved ones more than comepensates for the police bashers that see the miniscule amount of police actions gone wrong in the media.
    A large city precinct can have hundreds of calls an hour every day of the week...they get no thanks for the lionshare of those events, many of which threaten their well being, and cop haters want to make big hay over the one incident that finally hits the papers.....shrug, we dont care.
    If the day ever comes that YOU or yours really really need a cop and you call...and they dont come...video that.
    How is defending the rights of citizens to record their encounters with police officers now equated with hating police officers? Most are good and honest, but some are not. Those who are not need to be held accountable by the citizenry, and one way to do that is to protect the rights of that citizenry to record their contacts with police officers.
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    Re: First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Co

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Highway View Post
    HELLL ****ING YEA! A small but important ruling no doubt. Of course there will be challenges down the road since the thugerment and its badge licking supporters never go down without a long hard battle. I do hope (even for someone as cynical as me) this is a trend.

    First Circuit Panel Says There’s a Clear Constitutional Right To Openly Record Cops. | The Agitator
    Hopefully this eventually makes it to the supreme court and they rule the same way.
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