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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So if I was to run an old car I would die?
    If you were to run and old car, you'd spew some lead into the environment - which causes brain damage. Besides, you are going to die if you run and old car or not.
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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If elected, I'm absolutely positive that she will get the same pass from Conservatives that Obama gets from Liberals. And 3 years in when gas prices are still high, they'll likely find a way to blame Obama.



    Visually, no, because the GDP chart paints in broader strokes. If you look at dates, the lowest gas prices correlate to the negative GDP right after the banking collapses, and the high prices correlate to the highest GDP growth. It doesn't follow exactly, but the higher GDP went, the higher the gas prices went. That and the "Arab Spring" (which was completely beyond the potential control of any POTUS).
    The GDP was down for all of 2009. Gas prices steadily INCREASED for all of 2009. The incline in prices is the only thing that IS consistent. The 'Arab Spring' (which is just the latest in the long line of why the current economic failures exist) doesnt appear to have all that significant an impact.

    Clearing the way for new drilling wont have a dramatic impact on the overall world oil supply. It WILL have an impact on the market price of oil. The market is volatile. Providing an increase in supply that is guaranteed stable will reduce speculation and bidding wars.

    Anyone can look at the prices and fluctuation over the last 3 years and recognize what she states is not impossible (improbable? OK...I'll give you that). The fact remains damn near every responder here has responded to her comments based on their hatred of the woman ("I dont KNOW what she is proposing...I just know she cant do it...whatever...whatever it is...cuz...I just know"). That's pretty pathetic.

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The GDP was down for all of 2009. Gas prices steadily INCREASED for all of 2009. The incline in prices is the only thing that IS consistent. The 'Arab Spring' (which is just the latest in the long line of why the current economic failures exist) doesnt appear to have all that significant an impact.
    I can see your point. But when you see big spikes that are right around the same times as major increased or decreased GDP, I just can't believe that's a coincedence. The gas prices at the time Obama took office were directly tied to the housing market and financial collapse of late 2008. I can't imagine that Bachmann wants to take us back there.

    Clearing the way for new drilling wont have a dramatic impact on the overall world oil supply. It WILL have an impact on the market price of oil. The market is volatile. Providing an increase in supply that is guaranteed stable will reduce speculation and bidding wars.
    It's likely that an increase in production from the United States would lead OPEC to cut their production by a proportional amount. Thus keeping prices at the current level. No other President in recent memory has been able to control OPEC, and I can't picture that electing her would change that.

    Anyone can look at the prices and fluctuation over the last 3 years and recognize what she states is not impossible (improbable? OK...I'll give you that). The fact remains damn near every responder here has responded to her comments based on their hatred of the woman ("I dont KNOW what she is proposing...I just know she cant do it...whatever...whatever it is...cuz...I just know"). That's pretty pathetic.
    Her whole campaign is based on the same empty rhetoric we've heard from Republicans for years (Democrats have empty rhetoric too, but it's content is different). It's complete BS. "Remember how gas prices were before Obama was President?" Sure I do. They were sky high right up until the whole economy damn near fell apart completely. If there was something magical that the President could do to lower gas prices, don't you think Bush would have done that, or Obama? Especially Obama, who has a direct political interest in seeing lower gas prices. There's little to nothing that the President can do.

    Bachmann saying that she can is nothing but an empty BS political promise. What puzzles me is her timing. A promise like this seems like something that comes out of desperation. She just won the straw poll, she's not in desperation mode yet.


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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I can see your point. But when you see big spikes that are right around the same times as major increased or decreased GDP, I just can't believe that's a coincedence. The gas prices at the time Obama took office were directly tied to the housing market and financial collapse of late 2008. I can't imagine that Bachmann wants to take us back there.



    It's likely that an increase in production from the United States would lead OPEC to cut their production by a proportional amount. Thus keeping prices at the current level. No other President in recent memory has been able to control OPEC, and I can't picture that electing her would change that.



    Her whole campaign is based on the same empty rhetoric we've heard from Republicans for years (Democrats have empty rhetoric too, but it's content is different). It's complete BS. "Remember how gas prices were before Obama was President?" Sure I do. They were sky high right up until the whole economy damn near fell apart completely. If there was something magical that the President could do to lower gas prices, don't you think Bush would have done that, or Obama? Especially Obama, who has a direct political interest in seeing lower gas prices. There's little to nothing that the President can do.

    Bachmann saying that she can is nothing but an empty BS political promise. What puzzles me is her timing. A promise like this seems like something that comes out of desperation. She just won the straw poll, she's not in desperation mode yet.
    No...presidents arent kings. But a presidents positions and policies go a long way to establishing confidence in markets. Or choking them.

    Maybe she felt like she had to one-up Obam'as promise to release a jobs plan. Not that the whole 8% unemployment thing mattered.
    Both sides are full of nothing more than bloated campaign rhetoric and empty promises. That's why I kinda laugh at the true believers and defenders of the faith on the left AND the right...some of them actually believe their retards are superior. I havent voted for a republican or democrat since before 2003. I dont expect to anytime soon.

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...presidents arent kings. But a presidents positions and policies go a long way to establishing confidence in markets. Or choking them.

    Maybe she felt like she had to one-up Obam'as promise to release a jobs plan. Not that the whole 8% unemployment thing mattered.
    Both sides are full of nothing more than bloated campaign rhetoric and empty promises. That's why I kinda laugh at the true believers and defenders of the faith on the left AND the right...some of them actually believe their retards are superior. I havent voted for a republican or democrat since before 2003. I dont expect to anytime soon.
    Right on! I think I wanna have your baby VanceMack.

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

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    Right on! I think I wanna have your baby VanceMack.
    I'm normally pretty secure in my manhood...but...I'm...so...ummm...flattered...uh.. .but...well...no....ummm...



    Has there been a real truly viable candidate from ANY party since Clinton? I'd actually support a last minute referendum to change the constitution and allow him to run for a third term.

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    But your idea of lowering the price of gas seems to revolve around reducing the gas tax by raising other types of taxes, am I reading you correctly?
    That would be an easy way to reduce the price of gas, but one which neither party will take up -- eliminate the consumer gas tax altogether and offset with an "excessive profits" tax on oil companies, who aren't raising oil prices, but are certainly benefiting from them.

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In potential, sure. Right now, not so much. Extracting the oil out of oil shale is not as easy or as cheap. Until it is, there's basically two things that could be true: prices will go up (because of the increased cost of extraction), or oil companies won't want to touch it because they won't get the profit margin on it.



    Fleets that run on CNG have no effect on the price of gasoline, because they don't use it.
    Fleets running on natural gas reduce gasoline prices by reducing demand for gasoline.What are you smoking?

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What you also conveniently fail to recall is that the reason prices were so low back then is because we were in the midst of a serious recession in which demand for fuel went way down. Want a healthy, stable, economy? You're probably going to have to deal with high gas prices because energy will be in demand, and no matter what new technology you develop, oil reserves are still finite, and extracting shale is still costly and has questionable environmental impacts.
    In case you havn't noticed economy is even worse now and gas is pushing $4.00 a gallon I repeat WHAT ARE YOU LIBS SMOKING????

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    Re: Bachmann: I'll get gas under $2

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    in case you havn't noticed economy is even worse now and gas is pushing $4.00 a gallon i repeat what are you libs smoking????
    wtf? 56789
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