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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Uhh no, putting on a false appearance requires a person to be deceptive, a hypocrite is doing this knowingly.
    Wrong again, but it doesn't require knowing deception when a willful ignorance will suffice
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Now, I'm beginning to question your honesty, because the link you just posted says nothing about hypocrite requiring a person to lie about their beliefs.
    Pretending to believe in something, requires the willful act of a person to be deceptive.
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong again, but it doesn't require knowing deception when a willful ignorance will suffice
    "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."

    My definition, pretending requires someone to be willfully deceptive, it is a verb (aka action word).
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pretending to believe in something, requires the willful act of a person to be deceptive.
    No it doesn't. All it requires is a little cognitive dissonance. Your positions reek of that.
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs."

    My definition, pretending requires someone to be willfully deceptive, it is a verb (aka action word).
    Again, all it takes is willful ignorance and some denialism
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No it doesn't. All it requires is a little cognitive dissonance. Your positions reek of that.
    I guess we just make up definitions for words now.

    Accusations of hypocrisy, is one of those little rhetorical attack methods, typically used as a means of character assassination.
    It's used instead of actually debating a person over subject matter.
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I guess we just make up definitions for words now.

    Accusations of hypocrisy, is one of those little rhetorical attack methods, typically used as a means of character assassination.
    It's used instead of actually debating a person over subject matter.
    I guess you didn't read the definitions or understand them. But if you want to discuss the subject matter, you can start here

    Why do you oppose ending govt welfare for one industry (on the basis that it's unfair to target one group of beneficiaries) but support ending specific welfare pgms for individuals (even though that ends up targetting one group of beneficiaries)?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059732749

    on edit: BTW it is dihonest of you to hide behind the definition of "hypocrit" when that is not the word I used. I said your position was "hypocritical"

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocritical

    1. of the nature of hypocrisy, or pretense of having virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually possess: The parent who has a “do what I say and not what I do” attitude can appear hypocritical to a child.

    2. possessing the characteristics of hypocrisy: Isn't a politician hypocritical for talking about human dignity while voting against reasonable social programs?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    And pretense does not require intentional dishonesty. See the last definition

    Pretense | Define Pretense at Dictionary.com
    pre·tense
       [pri-tens, pree-tens] Show IPA

    noun
    1. pretending or feigning; make-believe: My sleepiness was all pretense.

    2. a false show of something: a pretense of friendship.

    3. a piece of make-believe.

    4. the act of pretending or alleging falsely.

    5. a false allegation or justification: He excused himself from the lunch on a pretense of urgent business.
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess you didn't read the definitions or understand them. But if you want to discuss the subject matter, you can start here

    Why do you oppose ending govt welfare for one industry (on the basis that it's unfair to target one group of beneficiaries) but support ending specific welfare pgms for individuals (even though that ends up targetting one group of beneficiaries)?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059732749

    on edit: BTW it is dihonest of you to hide behind the definition of "hypocrit" when that is not the word I used. I said your position was "hypocritical"

    Hypocritical | Define Hypocritical at Dictionary.com
    I already explained my position on that, why have redundant programs?
    These kids are likely to qualify for food stamps, why have another food program for them?
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    Re: Voters See These ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I already explained my position on that, why have redundant programs?
    These kids are likely to qualify for food stamps, why have another food program for them?
    For one thing, there is nothing "redundant" about it. Studies show that even kids whose families receive food stamps do go hungry if not provided with a free lunch

    For another, why don't you use the "they don't need the welfare" argument when it comes to the oil depletion allowance, which is given to corps that are making record profits? It is hypocritical

    It is hypocritical to selectively use and drop "principles" when making arguments depending on who is being discussed. If you're going to say that the kids don't need free lunches because they get food stamps, then why is it OK to give welfare to profit making corps since their profits show that they don't need the money?
    Last edited by sangha; 08-17-11 at 04:04 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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