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Unions coming to China ???

China already has unions, they're just tied to the state. If you mean that an independent working class movement is brewing in China, you are correct.
 
China already has unions, they're just tied to the state. If you mean that an independent working class movement is brewing in China, you are correct.

Thats what I meant...be interesting if wages and benefits rise in china...what our corporations are going to do when their products get to high to produce along with the cost of shipping...
 
Now China is a country that actually needs unions.... much like the U.S. needed them less then a century ago.
 
Thats what I meant...be interesting if wages and benefits rise in china...what our corporations are going to do when their products get to high to produce along with the cost of shipping...
As the standard of living rises in China and workers demand better wage, a lot of the corporations will outsource to even poorer countries. Though, eventually they run into the problem of running out of countries to outsource too.
 
Now China is a country that actually needs unions.... much like the U.S. needed them less then a century ago.
The U.S. still needs them. As Union membership has gone down the standard of living for the working class has declined as well.
 
As the standard of living rises in China and workers demand better wage, a lot of the corporations will outsource to even poorer countries. Though, eventually they run into the problem of running out of countries to outsource too.

Thats why they want a trade agreement with latin america...eventually where are they going to run to feed their greed...amazing screw their own country for more profit.
 
The U.S. still needs them. As Union membership has gone down the standard of living for the working class has declined as well.

I simply disagree... In most proffession's the private worker's get more pay then union worker's do, hence why they are dying out in the private sector. Unions are inefficient and no longer serve the purpose they used to, U.S. laws and regulation have already replaced the purpose of them.
 
Thats why they want a trade agreement with latin america...eventually where are they going to run to feed their greed...amazing screw their own country for more profit.
Latin America might be harder for them to work with, at least some countries. I could see Venezuela and Bolivia giving them trouble. Though, I'll admit my knowledge of that area is limited, so there are likely many other countries willing to accept their trade agreements.
 
Maybe...the working class won this one...they fought an unhealthy work environment and won...thats how and why unions are in America....


Protests force Chinese factory to close - FT.com

Does this mean that Chinese workers will now make 4 dollars a day instead of 2 or 3 dollars a day and that the kids working in factories might get fairer wages(fairer wages compared to adult workers in China) and safer worker conditions?
 
The U.S. still needs them. As Union membership has gone down the standard of living for the working class has declined as well.

That is the truth...that of course you wont here from the greedsters....Im old enough to remember when a man could have a job that actually put a roof over his familes head, put food on the table and provided enough for them to have a car and live decently...then it went to a man and a wife could get jobs that allowed them to live decently...now its a man and a wife working cant pay their bills...its disgusting greed...
So many americans are under employed and cant pay their bills....the rich better watch what they wish for...when americans dont earn enough to buy their junk and stop paying their bills and stick it to them...the only ones that will be getting rich are the sleazy personal bankruptcy lawyers
The rich will never admit it...but corporations and the rich that run them are killing america and draining the blood out the majority of americans
 
I simply disagree... In most proffession's the private worker's get more pay then union worker's do, hence why they are dying out in the private sector. Unions are inefficient and no longer serve the purpose they used to, U.S. laws and regulation have already replaced the purpose of them.

No I absolutely disagree with that...the private sector stripped workers of pensions and benefits and pay has stagnated for all but union workers...why do you think the rich and the teaparty are frothing at the mouth to get rid of unions...its the only impediment to the rich taking everything
Now if your talking about tech jobs etc that is something different...but private sector labor does not make more than union workers..
 
I simply disagree... In most proffession's the private worker's get more pay then union worker's do,

Not according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Differences in Union and Nonunion Earnings in Blue-collar and Service Occupations

hence why they are dying out in the private sector.

Unions have died out because companies have exerted substantial effort to break them.

Unions are inefficient

Corporations are inefficient. They also happen to be illegitimate, parasitical, authoritarian, and fundamentally antithetical to democracy, but that's beside the point.

and no longer serve the purpose they used to, U.S. laws and regulation have already replaced the purpose of them.

Not by a long shot. Labor unions are vital engines of democracy in the workplace.
 
No I absolutely disagree with that...the private sector stripped workers of pensions and benefits and pay has stagnated for all but union workers...why do you think the rich and the teaparty are frothing at the mouth to get rid of unions...its the only impediment to the rich taking everything
Now if your talking about tech jobs etc that is something different...but private sector labor does not make more than union workers..

In my personal experience with many in my family and friends and extened family and friends almost all the them are in the working class and almost all of them witness how the union workers are being out competed and as a result being paid less.

Even if the average private sector union worker gets paid more, those companies are not as near competitive or efficient and can't create as many job's. This is why private sector unions are dieing out.
]The only reason Public union workers are sticking around is because they have access to an infinite state budget... hence all the recent crack down in Wisconsin and Ohio etc.
 
Not according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Differences in Union and Nonunion Earnings in Blue-collar and Service Occupations



Unions have died out because companies have exerted substantial effort to break them.



Corporations are inefficient. They also happen to be illegitimate, parasitical, authoritarian, and fundamentally antithetical to democracy, but that's beside the point.

Not by a long shot. Labor unions are vital engines of democracy in the workplace.

Chill, that was according to my personal experience with people actually in the work force. And i already addressed this in my post above.
 
As the standard of living rises in China and workers demand better wage, a lot of the corporations will outsource to even poorer countries. Though, eventually they run into the problem of running out of countries to outsource too.

Which is why all countries should be encouraged to embrace worker rights... We shouldn't have to rip our's apart to better compete with them.
 
Corporations are inefficient. They also happen to be illegitimate, parasitical, authoritarian, and fundamentally antithetical to democracy, but that's beside the point.
What makes you think that they are inefficient?!?!?! the government sure can't do any better or unions as a matter of fact.
The inefficiency of unionized companies are reflecting in the drop of union membership...
http://unionstats.gsu.edu/Private%20Construction.htm
Unionized companies just simply can't compete against more efficient non-unionized companies.
 
Maybe...the working class won this one...they fought an unhealthy work environment and won...thats how and why unions are in America....

Every wage fight or safety issue would of been solved in short order without the government and the union working together. Even the pensions would have been done without unions. Unions take far to much create for moving on things that would of happened anyway. Ending child labor for example wasn't that great really as people actually needed that money, but the culture of the country was changing far before the union acted on it. I would wager it was only a few years off from happening anyway.

People just believe they deserve fairer wages, and wages anyway. They actually don't deserve anything from anyone. The property is not theirs and the work they get for is paid by people that actually own the money. I grow tired of unions and their big talk, as really they would die off without government forcing the exchange of money. They need to just work inside the constructs of freedom and the market and understand culture differences cause things like work conditions to change.
 
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Chill, that was according to my personal experience with people actually in the work force. And i already addressed this in my post above.

You should have indicated this in your initial statement.

What makes you think that they are inefficient?!?!?! the government sure can't do any better or unions as a matter of fact.
The inefficiency of unionized companies are reflecting in the drop of union membership...
http://unionstats.gsu.edu/Private%20Construction.htm
Unionized companies just simply can't compete against more efficient non-unionized companies.

That isn't what I said. I wasn't comparing the efficiency of union vs. non-union corporations. I said, again; corporations are inefficient. No modifiers. They are inefficient because they have all sorts of unnecessary costs, like enormous salaries for CEOS, whose salary could very possibly be equivalent to as many as 500 average employees, there's advertizing, etc., etc. For example; MEDICARE is drastically more efficient than any private insurance company, and it could be more efficient. Inefficiency, however, is at the bottom of the list of reasons to oppose corporations. The main reason is that corporations are illegitimate institutions, and they are parasitical, authoritarian, and fundamentally antithetical to democracy.
 
Does this mean that Chinese workers will now make 4 dollars a day instead of 2 or 3 dollars a day and that the kids working in factories might get fairer wages(fairer wages compared to adult workers in China) and safer worker conditions?

Good question.

I don't think that the U.S. needs unions. In a society that celebrates the individual, my observation is that they sap personal initiative and weaken an individual work ethic.
 
Good question.

I don't think that the U.S. needs unions. In a society that celebrates the individual, my observation is that they sap personal initiative and weaken an individual work ethic.

If you want to celebrate the individual,. get rid of unions and corporations. Everyone can be their own boss, and their own worker
 
Good question.

I don't think that the U.S. needs unions. In a society that celebrates the individual, my observation is that they sap personal initiative and weaken an individual work ethic.

It has nothing to do with a "need" for unions in the US.. it has everything to do with the right to form such an organisation/or join such an organisation if you so choose to do and that there are no negative consequences because of it. That is what the basic freedoms are about and what the US use to fight for across the world. its called Choice.
 
That is the truth...that of course you wont here from the greedsters....Im old enough to remember when a man could have a job that actually put a roof over his familes head, put food on the table and provided enough for them to have a car and live decently...then it went to a man and a wife could get jobs that allowed them to live decently...now its a man and a wife working cant pay their bills...its disgusting greed...
So many americans are under employed and cant pay their bills....the rich better watch what they wish for...when americans dont earn enough to buy their junk and stop paying their bills and stick it to them...the only ones that will be getting rich are the sleazy personal bankruptcy lawyers
The rich will never admit it...but corporations and the rich that run them are killing america and draining the blood out the majority of americans

And televisions and refrigerators were made in the U.S. When the vast majority of cars were built in the U.S.

Unfortunately we do not live in such a small world any longer. As to a point just above this one, I agree, people have a right to join together in a common cause if they want to. Making unions illegal would be as wrong as saying that people can't come together to have their political say.

Much like every topic here, people want to blame one side for everything. Rarely is that the case. Sometimes unions are right and sometimes like forcing GM to keep idled workers on the clock, they are wrong. The big picture problem is all sides only thinking that "more" is the answer.
 
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