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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Now China is a country that actually needs unions.... much like the U.S. needed them less then a century ago.

    people who think that unions are no longer needed in the states will find out soon what happens when they don't exist. unfortunately, so will those who actually support workers having perks like weekends and benefits.

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    people who think that unions are no longer needed in the states will find out soon
    What do you mean "soon"? The attack on workers started happening decades ago and we've already seen deep cuts for working people to "save the rich from being persecuted" or whatever the **** those morons argue nowadays.
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Maybe...the working class won this one...they fought an unhealthy work environment and won...thats how and why unions are in America....


    Protests force Chinese factory to close - FT.com
    This is awesome news. I wish the UAW and Teamsters the best of luck in China. Hopefully China will benefit as much as we have. Basket weavers making $30/hr will be good for China.
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That is the truth...that of course you wont here from the greedsters....Im old enough to remember when a man could have a job that actually put a roof over his familes head, put food on the table and provided enough for them to have a car and live decently...then it went to a man and a wife could get jobs that allowed them to live decently...now its a man and a wife working cant pay their bills...its disgusting greed...
    So many americans are under employed and cant pay their bills....the rich better watch what they wish for...when americans dont earn enough to buy their junk and stop paying their bills and stick it to them...the only ones that will be getting rich are the sleazy personal bankruptcy lawyers
    The rich will never admit it...but corporations and the rich that run them are killing america and draining the blood out the majority of americans

    While I agree largely with what you said I do not feel unions are the answer. I suppose you could consider me anti -big business and anti - union. Both are self serving entities that are in the business for profit at the expense of whomever they can bend to their wills. If we were to remove one or the other the remaining power would destroy the working class, either by lowering wages and benefits to unlivable levels or raising the cost to operate to the point no employment is remaining. We see both cases now but they do to an extent keep each other in check. I believe it is we the consumer that can make a stand and refuse to support greedy companies/unions by refusing to join or purchase their products when they are not preforming in a way that best benefits our society. The problem is the general public has grown complacent and largely tend to ignore the situation unless it directly involves them. I remember when "made in america" had become a popular theme that had swept the country but has since become largely forgotten. People tend to have little interest in how/where/what circumstances they are receiving said service/product and its more about what I can get for the $$. Until we can change this view we are going to continue to lose what previous generations had.

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis
    The problem is the general public has grown complacent and largely tend to ignore the situation unless it directly involves them.
    So, you have discovered the fundamental flaw in libertarianism, congratulations perhaps a change of signature is in order.
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So, you have discovered the fundamental flaw in libertarianism, congratulations perhaps a change of signature is in order.

    All systems are flawed obviously, but I prefer the least intrusive system possible. I also believe the people would more inclined to participate if they felt it actually made a difference which I feel libertarianism could help accomplish. When you feel powerless against a large government system it can be very discouraging.

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    All systems are flawed obviously, but I prefer the least intrusive system possible. I also believe the people would more inclined to participate if they felt it actually made a difference which I feel libertarianism could help accomplish. When you feel powerless against a large government system it can be very discouraging.
    The reason you're wrong is because "consumer" is basically an empty term, meaning that "consumers" have no common interest to advance, meaning that the entire idea of libertarianism based on "consumer power" falls apart as it is unrealistic.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The US still needs them, now more than ever.
    amen brother

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    While I agree largely with what you said I do not feel unions are the answer. I suppose you could consider me anti -big business and anti - union. Both are self serving entities that are in the business for profit at the expense of whomever they can bend to their wills. If we were to remove one or the other the remaining power would destroy the working class, either by lowering wages and benefits to unlivable levels or raising the cost to operate to the point no employment is remaining. We see both cases now but they do to an extent keep each other in check. I believe it is we the consumer that can make a stand and refuse to support greedy companies/unions by refusing to join or purchase their products when they are not preforming in a way that best benefits our society. The problem is the general public has grown complacent and largely tend to ignore the situation unless it directly involves them. I remember when "made in america" had become a popular theme that had swept the country but has since become largely forgotten. People tend to have little interest in how/where/what circumstances they are receiving said service/product and its more about what I can get for the $$. Until we can change this view we are going to continue to lose what previous generations had.
    When your dollars are dropping, what you can get for your dollars is very important. Chinese products are very good. Remind me of USA products from the 89s and 90s. Outlaw Unions and Outlaw Corporations. Let's get back in the small real business mode. Hell, Outlaw banks over a certain size. Get rid of too big to fail. It's easy to identify many grievances, but solutions are the key.

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