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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Chill, that was according to my personal experience with people actually in the work force. And i already addressed this in my post above.
    You should have indicated this in your initial statement.

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    What makes you think that they are inefficient?!?!?! the government sure can't do any better or unions as a matter of fact.
    The inefficiency of unionized companies are reflecting in the drop of union membership...
    http://unionstats.gsu.edu/Private%20Construction.htm
    Unionized companies just simply can't compete against more efficient non-unionized companies.
    That isn't what I said. I wasn't comparing the efficiency of union vs. non-union corporations. I said, again; corporations are inefficient. No modifiers. They are inefficient because they have all sorts of unnecessary costs, like enormous salaries for CEOS, whose salary could very possibly be equivalent to as many as 500 average employees, there's advertizing, etc., etc. For example; MEDICARE is drastically more efficient than any private insurance company, and it could be more efficient. Inefficiency, however, is at the bottom of the list of reasons to oppose corporations. The main reason is that corporations are illegitimate institutions, and they are parasitical, authoritarian, and fundamentally antithetical to democracy.
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Does this mean that Chinese workers will now make 4 dollars a day instead of 2 or 3 dollars a day and that the kids working in factories might get fairer wages(fairer wages compared to adult workers in China) and safer worker conditions?
    Good question.

    I don't think that the U.S. needs unions. In a society that celebrates the individual, my observation is that they sap personal initiative and weaken an individual work ethic.

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Good question.

    I don't think that the U.S. needs unions. In a society that celebrates the individual, my observation is that they sap personal initiative and weaken an individual work ethic.
    If you want to celebrate the individual,. get rid of unions and corporations. Everyone can be their own boss, and their own worker
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Good question.

    I don't think that the U.S. needs unions. In a society that celebrates the individual, my observation is that they sap personal initiative and weaken an individual work ethic.
    It has nothing to do with a "need" for unions in the US.. it has everything to do with the right to form such an organisation/or join such an organisation if you so choose to do and that there are no negative consequences because of it. That is what the basic freedoms are about and what the US use to fight for across the world. its called Choice.
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    That is the truth...that of course you wont here from the greedsters....Im old enough to remember when a man could have a job that actually put a roof over his familes head, put food on the table and provided enough for them to have a car and live decently...then it went to a man and a wife could get jobs that allowed them to live decently...now its a man and a wife working cant pay their bills...its disgusting greed...
    So many americans are under employed and cant pay their bills....the rich better watch what they wish for...when americans dont earn enough to buy their junk and stop paying their bills and stick it to them...the only ones that will be getting rich are the sleazy personal bankruptcy lawyers
    The rich will never admit it...but corporations and the rich that run them are killing america and draining the blood out the majority of americans
    And televisions and refrigerators were made in the U.S. When the vast majority of cars were built in the U.S.

    Unfortunately we do not live in such a small world any longer. As to a point just above this one, I agree, people have a right to join together in a common cause if they want to. Making unions illegal would be as wrong as saying that people can't come together to have their political say.

    Much like every topic here, people want to blame one side for everything. Rarely is that the case. Sometimes unions are right and sometimes like forcing GM to keep idled workers on the clock, they are wrong. The big picture problem is all sides only thinking that "more" is the answer.

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    And televisions and refrigerators were made in the U.S. When the vast majority of cars were built in the U.S.

    Unfortunately we do not live in such a small world any longer. As to a point just above this one, I agree, people have a right to join together in a common cause if they want to. Making unions illegal would be as wrong as saying that people can't come together to have their political say.

    Much like every topic here, people want to blame one side for everything. Rarely is that the case. Sometimes unions are right and sometimes like forcing GM to keep idled workers on the clock, they are wrong. The big picture problem is all sides only thinking that "more" is the answer.

    This is one of the most fairest and truest posts ive read on this forum...

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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    So I look at this in a couple of different ways...either it could prevent corporations from shipping as many jobs overseas (good). It would increase the price of many retailers whos products are made from China(bad), it could increase the prices of products and corporations could still send jobs that way, since it ultimately may still be cheaper (really bad). Thoughts?
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats what I meant...be interesting if wages and benefits rise in china...what our corporations are going to do when their products get to high to produce along with the cost of shipping...
    Shipping by sea is extremely cheap, so that isn't an issue. I think that if China started to evolve its working conditions and allowing workers the ability to argue contract, they'd find some other country out there without those laws to offshore to.
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Shipping by sea is extremely cheap, so that isn't an issue. I think that if China started to evolve its working conditions and allowing workers the ability to argue contract, they'd find some other country out there without those laws to offshore to.
    Already occuring

    Clothing manufacturers are leaving Eastern/Coastal China as costs are too high. They are moving to places like Vietnam or central/western China. Wages in eastern China are increasing fairly rapidly
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    Re: Unions coming to China ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Already occuring

    Clothing manufacturers are leaving Eastern/Coastal China as costs are too high. They are moving to places like Vietnam or central/western China. Wages in eastern China are increasing fairly rapidly
    Yep, a friend of mine does a lot of bhsiness over there and he said increasing wages being implemented to avoid problems with income equality are already driving jobs out of China to Vietnam and Malaysia.

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