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    CAFE standards for big rigs.

    More over-regulation. Someone needs to make a video and call it, "Gubmint Gone Wild".

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Nothing new or surprising there. Just another attempt to destroy private industry so that the Government can take it over. Of course the GOVERNMENT vehicles won't be required to meet those same standards once they take it over.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    I've worked in the industry more then a decade and I sorta disagree with part of their argument.

    Does anyone honestly believe that they aren’t already demanding the most gas efficient trucks the manufacturers can provide at a sustainable cost?
    Large fleets do tend to look at fuel consumption in much more of a bottom line perspective however owner operators or small fleets in my experience tend to overlook common sense in this regard.

    Many small timers or owner operators will often look at visuals or "popular" models above operating costs and the more efferent rigs. Truck drivers have their own social peer group and will often look down on those without the "upper models" which are heavier and get less fuel mileage. Its like a high school popularity and acceptance club.

    For example a Kenworth K-9 model or a Peterbuilt 379 are some of the most popular models on the road and they have poor aerodynamics and are heavy. They look better then the much less popular Kenworth T2000 for example but at a cost of about 2-3MPG which makes a significant difference at 130K+ miles a year.

    Your owner operators or small fleets make up of a pretty good chuck of the trucks on the road.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Nothing new or surprising there. Just another attempt to destroy private industry so that the Government can take it over. Of course the GOVERNMENT vehicles won't be required to meet those same standards once they take it over.
    I thought you liked big government, mister so-called authoritarian.

    Why should a group of vehicles responsible for 20% of fuel consumption be exempt from any efficiency standards? Fuel consumption is a national security concern, is it so outrageous that its use be required to meet reasonable standards?
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I thought you liked big government, mister so-called authoritarian.

    Why should a group of vehicles responsible for 20% of fuel consumption be exempt from any efficiency standards? Fuel consumption is a national security concern, is it so outrageous that its use be required to meet reasonable standards?
    When did we have "reasonable" sandards? Do you believe that 54 or 55 mpg by 2025 is a "reasonable" standard? I do not. I don't want to drive an itty bitty Smart Car down the freeway and get hit by a semi. My chances of survival are about nil. Secondly, making semis have similar goals will mean that trucks will need to be the size of a former full-sized Lincoln, but it will take 50 semis to carry the load of 1 semi of today. I doubt they can get a Lincoln Town Car to get 200 mpg.

    If your concern was national security rather than destroying private enterprise, may I suggest that we allow full development of all types of energy in the U.S. rather than attempting to make the error of picking winners and losers.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    When did we have "reasonable" sandards? Do you believe that 54 or 55 mpg by 2025 is a "reasonable" standard? I do not. I don't want to drive an itty bitty Smart Car down the freeway and get hit by a semi. My chances of survival are about nil. Secondly, making semis have similar goals will mean that trucks will need to be the size of a former full-sized Lincoln, but it will take 50 semis to carry the load of 1 semi of today. I doubt they can get a Lincoln Town Car to get 200 mpg.

    If your concern was national security rather than destroying private enterprise, may I suggest that we allow full development of all types of energy in the U.S. rather than attempting to make the error of picking winners and losers.
    Nobody introduced 200mpg as a target for anything. Why are you making up numbers?

    The standards would move the average mileage from 6 to 8. You don't think that's reasonable? Do you think that trucks will have to be the size of a towncar to make that standard?
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody introduced 200mpg as a target for anything. Why are you making up numbers?

    The standards would move the average mileage from 6 to 8. You don't think that's reasonable? Do you think that trucks will have to be the size of a towncar to make that standard?
    No, with only 8 mpg, they might be able to use deuce-and-a half-ton trucks or maybe, if they are lucky, a 5-ton, rather than the semis.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I thought you liked big government, mister so-called authoritarian.

    Why should a group of vehicles responsible for 20% of fuel consumption be exempt from any efficiency standards? Fuel consumption is a national security concern, is it so outrageous that its use be required to meet reasonable standards?
    Oh, I dunno, because it will make the cost of doing business go through the roof and put small trucking fleets out fo business, perhaps? Just like the diesel exhaust fluid BS that is supposed to reduce emissions.

    Everything would be ok, if the government would stop trying to make things better.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody introduced 200mpg as a target for anything. Why are you making up numbers?

    The standards would move the average mileage from 6 to 8. You don't think that's reasonable? Do you think that trucks will have to be the size of a towncar to make that standard?
    How much will it cost a trucking company to purchase a truck that can average 8 mpg? How many things are going to be broken in the process? Have you taken any of that into consideration, or do you think the government has all the answers and it's not coming our of your pocket, so screw it?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    No, with only 8 mpg, they might be able to use deuce-and-a half-ton trucks or maybe, if they are lucky, a 5-ton, rather than the semis.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, I dunno, because it will make the cost of doing business go through the roof and put small trucking fleets out fo business, perhaps? Just like the diesel exhaust fluid BS that is supposed to reduce emissions.

    Everything would be ok, if the government would stop trying to make things better.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How much will it cost a trucking company to purchase a truck that can average 8 mpg? How many things are going to be broken in the process? Have you taken any of that into consideration, or do you think the government has all the answers and it's not coming our of your pocket, so screw it?
    If either of you have any evidence that this will be some unbearable cost, please post it.

    By the way, it will be coming out of my pocket when I go to buy bread. I think reducing fuel consumption will be a better long-term investment though, both for me and for the country. Lower demand for fuel creates lower costs for fuel. Less pollution reduces health care costs.
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