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CAFE standards for big rigs.

LesGovt said:
Do you believe that the Federal Government should dictate to manufacturers what they should build and the specs it should produce?
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I do not believe we have done our best here. I believe we have dropped the ball. I don't know what the actual solution is but results that are in line with 1950's standards should not be accepted.

I noted above that I would have liked to have bought a new truck. Not going to happen with fuel ratings of 12-15 mpg. A Corvette back in the day would get maybe in the mid low teens on a good day on the road. Today they will get in the upper 20's and outperform the old car.

There is no reason we shouldn't have seen similiar gains in other vehicles by now. I can be done. It just hasn't been. It's not acceptable.
 
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LesGovt said:
Well, I was correct about the definition. Am I able to vote? Before I answer, would you mind letting me know why you would ask the question?
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You were correct about one of the definitions, but not the one that is most useful in this discussion.

The reason I am asking was because of my earlier point about the type of government we have.
 
Deuce said:
Um, the proposed standards do not dictate a 33.3 mpg increase in mileage for big trucks.
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Deuce

He stated a 33.3 % increase in the fuel milage, not a 33.3 mpg increase
 
1Perry said:
I'm certainly mixed on this. I see these trucks sitting and idling and I know that we could come up with a way for them to still operate without sitting around idling all day. I refuse to believe that we couldn't have created more efficient vehicles over the last 60 years. Semi's in the 50's could get 6 mpg.
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We currently can. Companies can equip trucks with small diesel generators to run AC, radio, ect but many do not due to the higher initial cost (several $K) even tho they can pay for themselves in the long run in fuel savings. Like so many things people will avoid because all they see is the $$ now and not the long term advantages.
 
LesGovt said:
Well, what did you mean by this?
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... 2 is substantially lower than 33.3?

edit: Oh, you meant percentage. You put the word percentage in the next sentence.

Lord Tammerlain said:
Deuce

He stated a 33.3 % increase in the fuel milage, not a 33.3 mpg increase
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That's what he meant, but that's not what he stated.

So, to discuss the point he meant to make, I think it's an attainable goal at a reasonable cost. If you've got some industry experts with detailed numbers, I'm interested in seeing them. (not being an engineer and whatnot)
 
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megaprogman said:
You were correct about one of the definitions, but not the one that is most useful in this discussion.

The reason I am asking was because of my earlier point about the type of government we have.
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I have been correct on all definitions.

My first vote was made in 1968 and I have voted in every election since then. Not sure what this has to do with the type of government we have, but..........
 
LesGovt said:
I have been correct on all definitions.

My first vote was made in 1968 and I have voted in every election since then. Not sure what this has to do with the type of government we have, but..........
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So, you don't know the difference between a democracy and an authoritarian style of government?
 
megaprogman said:
So, you don't know the difference between a democracy and an authoritarian style of government?
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truthfully you can have a democracy that is also authortarian

A constitutional republic with a strong bill of rights however is not generally compatable with authoritarian governments
 
Deuce said:
... 2 is substantially lower than 33.3?

edit: Oh, you meant percentage. You put the word percentage in the next sentence.

That's what he meant, but that's not what he stated.

So, to discuss the point he meant to make, I think it's an attainable goal at a reasonable cost. If you've got some industry experts with detailed numbers, I'm interested in seeing them. (not being an engineer and whatnot)
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I was just trying to see if you read my entire statements before responding. LOL! Yes, I was talking about percentage and, as I said, that is a huge jump percemtage-wise.
 
megaprogman said:
So, you don't know the difference between a democracy and an authoritarian style of government?
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First, we are not a democracy. Please read Federalist No. 10. Second, the definition I gave for authoritarian applies to the matter of C.A.F.E. standards.
 
LesGovt said:
I was just trying to see if you read my entire statements before responding. LOL! Yes, I was talking about percentage and, as I said, that is a huge jump percemtage-wise.
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I did read the entire statement, but you didn't use the word "percentage" in the correct sentence so it was left ambiguous.

You think it's a huge jump. I think it's doable. Never underestimate the cleverness of American innovation. Give them a target and they'll hit it.
 
Deuce said:
I did read the entire statement, but you didn't use the word "percentage" in the correct sentence so it was left ambiguous.

You think it's a huge jump. I think it's doable. Never underestimate the cleverness of American innovation. Give them a target and they'll hit it.
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Give the tyrants enough power and they will crush anyone who doesn't do it. Whoopee!
 
LesGovt said:
Give the tyrants enough power and they will crush anyone who doesn't do it. Whoopee!
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Your continued attempts to derail the discussion towards arguing over what constitutes "tyranny" is starting to seem... desperate.
 
Deuce said:
Your continued attempts to derail the discussion towards arguing over what constitutes "tyranny" is starting to seem... desperate.
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That may be your conclusion, but you'd be wrong once again.
 
This is what I do for a living, and with the current CVSA and fuel prices we are already wacking the shippers with a 25 to 32 percent fuel surcharge, hazmat fee, residential fee, phone fee, appt. fee, tailgate fee, inside delivery fee, storage fee, wrong address fee and more. The reason being is that the government has over regulated our industry already, and the fuel prices have gone up. Also competitors are dropping out by the dozens(thousands) which enables us to dictate our prices.
 
LesGovt said:
That may be your conclusion, but you'd be wrong once again.
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I thought I was wrong once, but it turns out I was mistaken.
 
apdst said:
More over-regulation. Someone needs to make a video and call it, "Gubmint Gone Wild".

Super. CAFE standards for big rigs. « Hot Air
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Great news! Its about time we had leadership in this country to increase the CAFE standards for the big trucks. CAFE standards for cars have had the same effect on supply and demand as huge oil discoveries have in the past because they so dramatically reduce demand. Not to mention the reduced pollution!

I was feeling pretty bummed about him ending the wars so slowly, and then he does something great like this. Kudo's on this one Mr. President!

Thanks for brightening my day apdst! :sun
 
1Perry said:
I'm certainly mixed on this. I see these trucks sitting and idling and I know that we could come up with a way for them to still operate without sitting around idling all day. I refuse to believe that we couldn't have created more efficient vehicles over the last 60 years. Semi's in the 50's could get 6 mpg.
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I had an antique '59 VW Beetle that consistently got 30 mpg. I agree with you that the same country that invented phones that can make waffles can devise a way to improve vehicle mileage by a few mpg, even in the big rigs.
 
LesGovt said:
First, we are not a democracy. Please read Federalist No. 10. Second, the definition I gave for authoritarian applies to the matter of C.A.F.E. standards.
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We are a country that uses democratic institutions to decide on a large variety of social policy issues. Second, your definition does not apply, because people are not doing so blindly, but from their own views.
 
megaprogman, I think its obvious that LesGovt was talking about an authoritarian act, not a authoritarian government. Regulations like this are authoritarian by very definition as they dictate action that will happen or face criminal charges.
 
megaprogman said:
I said I had no desire to dominate and wish to promote them.

Free enterprise often accomplishes this, but not always.
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You are confused or ignorant of what you speak of .You can't be free enterprise and at the same wish to control it when the results aren't what you want. That isn't support of free enterprise. You are either a supporter of free enterprise or you are not.
 
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