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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Big trucks drag 40 thousand+ pounds down the roads, climbing hills, starting from a dead stop, etc. MPG gains on the levels of cars are unrealistic, IMO. I haul loads that are 90-100 thousand pounds and 4 mpg is the best I can hope for.
    So, you'd be the driver.

    Not the engineer.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No matter what the damage is to small businesses, right?
    Still haven't seen those numbers on what the "damage" will be.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, you'd be the driver.

    Not the engineer.
    Right! I'm the guy in the field that sees the actual performance, first hand; not the guy in the office with a slide rule, claiming that his theory will work.



    Still haven't seen those numbers on what the "damage" will be.
    If common sense won't allow you to understand that a small business can't afford to spend over 100 grand on equipment replacement, then there's nothing I can do for you.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! I'm the guy in the field that sees the actual performance, first hand; not the guy in the office with a slide rule, claiming that his theory will work.
    You haven't seen the performance or cost of increased efficiency because it hasn't happened yet. I'm not "claiming" anything. I think it will work. You think it wont. That's why I asked for cost estimates put out by people who actually know something about the design or operational changes that will be needed.

    If common sense won't allow you to understand that a small business can't afford to spend over 100 grand on equipment replacement, then there's nothing I can do for you.
    CAFE applies to new vehicle sales, doesn't force replacement, so you're claiming that the vehicles will cost 100 grand more than a new vehicle costs now.
    Source please.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You haven't seen the performance or cost of increased efficiency because it hasn't happened yet. I'm not "claiming" anything. I think it will work. You think it wont. That's why I asked for cost estimates put out by people who actually know something about the design or operational changes that will be needed.
    I've already given you the numbers for existing equipment.



    CAFE applies to new vehicle sales, doesn't force replacement, so you're claiming that the vehicles will cost 100 grand more than a new vehicle costs now.
    Source please.
    I can't show you a source, since I never said that. Good luck, though!

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've already given you the numbers for existing equipment.



    I can't show you a source, since I never said that. Good luck, though!
    Ok, well, thanks for admitting you have no idea what the upgrade cost will actually be. I could just as credibly claim the cost will be $5.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ok, well, thanks for admitting you have no idea what the upgrade cost will actually be. I could just as credibly claim the cost will be $5.
    Obviously, it's a waste of time trying to explain anything to you, since you don't even know what I said. Good luck in the real world...you're going to need it.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obviously, it's a waste of time trying to explain anything to you, since you don't even know what I said. Good luck in the real world...you're going to need it.
    CAFE standards don't apply to vehicles built before they were enacted. Nobody will be forced to replace a vehicle any sooner than they were already going to replace a vehicle.

    So the question becomes how much more expensive will that vehicle be due to the higher efficiency standards? Right? You're suggesting that this will be a lot. Right?
    Except nobody has posted any credible information on how much that cost will be. You've thrown out $100,000... based on what, exactly?
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Big trucks drag 40 thousand+ pounds down the roads, climbing hills, starting from a dead stop, etc. MPG gains on the levels of cars are unrealistic, IMO. I haul loads that are 90-100 thousand pounds and 4 mpg is the best I can hope for.
    Sorry, I don't believe it. As I said, that's what long haul trucks would get 60 years ago. There is no reason we haven't made gains in those 60 years.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Big trucks drag 40 thousand+ pounds down the roads, climbing hills, starting from a dead stop, etc. MPG gains on the levels of cars are unrealistic, IMO. I haul loads that are 90-100 thousand pounds and 4 mpg is the best I can hope for.
    If the tecnnological task of increasing mileage of big trucks is insurmountable, perhaps it is time we started moving more freight by rail which is already more energy efficient.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No matter what the damage is to small businesses, right?
    No one has presented any evidence that damage would be worse than the damage caused by continued wasteful use of declining oil supplies and the resulting pollution.
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