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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More over-regulation. Someone needs to make a video and call it, "Gubmint Gone Wild".

    Super. CAFE standards for big rigs. Hot Air
    Great news! Its about time we had leadership in this country to increase the CAFE standards for the big trucks. CAFE standards for cars have had the same effect on supply and demand as huge oil discoveries have in the past because they so dramatically reduce demand. Not to mention the reduced pollution!

    I was feeling pretty bummed about him ending the wars so slowly, and then he does something great like this. Kudo's on this one Mr. President!

    Thanks for brightening my day apdst!
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm certainly mixed on this. I see these trucks sitting and idling and I know that we could come up with a way for them to still operate without sitting around idling all day. I refuse to believe that we couldn't have created more efficient vehicles over the last 60 years. Semi's in the 50's could get 6 mpg.
    I had an antique '59 VW Beetle that consistently got 30 mpg. I agree with you that the same country that invented phones that can make waffles can devise a way to improve vehicle mileage by a few mpg, even in the big rigs.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    First, we are not a democracy. Please read Federalist No. 10. Second, the definition I gave for authoritarian applies to the matter of C.A.F.E. standards.
    We are a country that uses democratic institutions to decide on a large variety of social policy issues. Second, your definition does not apply, because people are not doing so blindly, but from their own views.

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    megaprogman, I think its obvious that LesGovt was talking about an authoritarian act, not a authoritarian government. Regulations like this are authoritarian by very definition as they dictate action that will happen or face criminal charges.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I said I had no desire to dominate and wish to promote them.

    Free enterprise often accomplishes this, but not always.
    You are confused or ignorant of what you speak of .You can't be free enterprise and at the same wish to control it when the results aren't what you want. That isn't support of free enterprise. You are either a supporter of free enterprise or you are not.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You are confused or ignorant of what you speak of .You can't be free enterprise and at the same wish to control it when the results aren't what you want. That isn't support of free enterprise. You are either a supporter of free enterprise or you are not.
    If that is how you wish to define it, than I am merely a supporter of capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    megaprogman, I think its obvious that LesGovt was talking about an authoritarian act, not a authoritarian government. Regulations like this are authoritarian by very definition as they dictate action that will happen or face criminal charges.
    Ahh, I wasn't catching that. Ultimately though, any legality is authoritarian in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If that is how you wish to define it, than I am merely a supporter of capitalism.
    By definition all you have to do is be a believer in private means of production but what people fail to realize is to really believe in its power you have to be against regulatory measures or you really aren't following the creed at all. In that instance all you believe in is private ownership which is powerless without the drive of such an idea. Think of it, you can actually be a believer in private ownership and believe that every outlet of it has to be controlled so that its fits your desire, but that isn't taking advantage of it, just allowing it. That is hardly the purpose of why anyone would actually value it. All it is doing is playing into the framework of the allowances of the loose definition. Much like how you can follow the letter of the law but the sprite of it. Its meaningless gibberish in the end if you are going to be so loose with it. In reality the definitions you find need to explained and expanded to really explore why you can't actually be a supporter of regulation and a capitalist.

    As a capitalist, I have to tell you are not one.

    Ahh, I wasn't catching that. Ultimately though, any legality is authoritarian in that case.
    Not really. This is telling them what to do and how to do it. Government actions don't necessary have to do this.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    By definition all you have to do is be a believer in private means of production but what people fail to realize is to really believe in its power you have to be against regulatory measures or you really aren't following the creed at all. In that instance all you believe in is private ownership which is powerless without the drive of such an idea. Think of it, you can actually be a believer in private ownership and believe that every outlet of it has to be controlled so that its fits your desire, but that isn't taking advantage of it, just allowing it. That is hardly the purpose of why anyone would actually value it. All it is doing is playing into the framework of the allowances of definition. Much like how you can follow the letter of the law but the sprite of it. Its meaningless gibberish in the end if you are going to be so loose with it.

    As a capitalist, I have to tell you are not one.
    For me, its not a matter of blind faith, but of observation. We have seen from history that capitalism does increase wealth for people. moreso than other systems I am aware of, however, this does not mean it is a perfect system, but it does help to serve the purpose of the progression of humanity in certain ways. Also, it is not entirely a black and white issue as people can approach this issue from any angle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not really. This is telling them what to do and how to do it. Government actions don't necessary have to do this.
    And laws against murder are telling people what to do.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not believe we have done our best here. I believe we have dropped the ball. I don't know what the actual solution is but results that are in line with 1950's standards should not be accepted.

    I noted above that I would have liked to have bought a new truck. Not going to happen with fuel ratings of 12-15 mpg. A Corvette back in the day would get maybe in the mid low teens on a good day on the road. Today they will get in the upper 20's and outperform the old car.

    There is no reason we shouldn't have seen similiar gains in other vehicles by now. I can be done. It just hasn't been. It's not acceptable.
    Big trucks drag 40 thousand+ pounds down the roads, climbing hills, starting from a dead stop, etc. MPG gains on the levels of cars are unrealistic, IMO. I haul loads that are 90-100 thousand pounds and 4 mpg is the best I can hope for.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Great news! Its about time we had leadership in this country to increase the CAFE standards for the big trucks. CAFE standards for cars have had the same effect on supply and demand as huge oil discoveries have in the past because they so dramatically reduce demand. Not to mention the reduced pollution!

    I was feeling pretty bummed about him ending the wars so slowly, and then he does something great like this. Kudo's on this one Mr. President!

    Thanks for brightening my day apdst!
    No matter what the damage is to small businesses, right?

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