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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Tyranny: Oppressive power exerted by government

    As I said, tyranny.
    Except this is not oppressive, but just a regulation, which is subject to politicians that we elect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Except this is not oppressive, but just a regulation, which is subject to politicians that we elect.
    ROFL!! You don't think that the government telling us what we can and cannot manufacture or produce and specifying, if it can be manufactured or produced, how it must be manufactured or produced is not oppressive. Wow! Have you read 1984?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    ROFL!! You don't think that the government telling us what we can and cannot manufacture or produce and specifying, if it can be manufactured or produced, how it must be manufactured or produced is not oppressive. Wow! Have you read 1984?
    If it was a dictatorship, monarchy, or some other authoritarian form of government, I would agree with you.

    And yes, I have read 1984, it was a silly and unrealistic book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If it was a dictatorship, monarchy, or some other authoritarian form of government, I would agree with you.

    And yes, I have read 1984, it was a silly and unrealistic book.
    LOL! A government does not have to be a dictatorship or monarchy to be oppressive. According to my Webster's, this government could be labeled as authoritarian.

    Authoritarian: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority.

    Looks like authoritarian, oppressive and tyranny were appropriate words.

    You thought 1984 was unrealistic? Hmmmm. Have you also read "Atlas Shrugged?" Would that be another unrealistic book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    LOL! A government does not have to be a dictatorship or monarchy to be oppressive. According to my Webster's, this government could be labeled as authoritarian.

    Authoritarian: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority.

    Looks like authoritarian, oppressive and tyranny were appropriate words.

    You thought 1984 was unrealistic? Hmmmm. Have you also read "Atlas Shrugged?" Would that be another unrealistic book?
    Yes, atlas shrugged had nothing to do with real people or their concerns and I did read it (which was a waste of my time)

    I was referring to the second definition

    : of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people <an authoritarian regime> .
    Tell me, are you able to vote?
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Seems like not everyone dislikes the idea.


    Industry reaction

    Industry groups were quick to release statements in response to the new rules, most of them positive:

    "Everyone was sort of patting everyone else on the back." ATA President Bill Graves to the Washington Post.

    "While we haven't had a chance yet to thoroughly review the final rule, we were pleased overall with the process, and the degree to which EPA and NHTSA involved and listened to the industry." Denny Slagle, president and CEO North American Trucks (Volvo and Mack).

    "Truck manufacturers and workers, state and federal regulators, and conservationists stand together behind this new rule. It shows what Americans can accomplish when we work together." Larry Schweiger, president and CEO of the National Wildlife Federation.

    "This regulation and the process used to establish it are a model for how government and business should work together to meet energy, environment and economic goals." Tim Solso, chairman and CEO of Cummins.

    "With this rule, EPA and NHTSA have now set an example for what could be a worldwide GHG and fuel efficiency regulation for heavy duty trucks and engines." Daniel C. Ustian, Navistar chairman, president and CEO.

    "We support the new federal regulations on greenhouse gas emissions and fuel efficiency as they affect the commercial vehicles industry. We have worked closely and productively with the EPA and NHTSA and look forward to continued collaboration on implementation of the new standards." Sean Waters, Director Compliance and Regulatory Affairs, Daimler Trucks North America

    "This is an important milestone for our industry and our country. We are pleased to be part of a realistic solution that will ultimately help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and conserve natural resources by helping to increase the fuel efficiency of our industry." Douglas W. Stotlar, president and CEO of Con-way Inc.

    "Commercial vehicles account for approximately 20 percent of transportation's fuel use, so fuel efficiency standards are essential to spur affordable and widely available cleaner delivery vehicles." Frederick W. Smith, president, CEO and chairman of FedEx Corp.

    "These new truck standards will reduce our dangerous dependence on oil and clean up our air, while creating much-needed jobs and saving drivers money at the pump," League of Conservation Voters President Gene Karpinski.

    "EMA and TMA members strongly support a uniform, national program to address greenhouse gas emissions and fuel efficiency that aligns with the needs of their customers and the nation. We applaud EPA and NHTSA for their willingness to listen to manufacturers' concerns related to the unique and complex aspects of the commercial engine and vehicle market and their efforts to finalize a manageable and implementable program." Jed Mandel, president of the Engine Manufacturers Association and Truck Manufacturers Association.

    "The new standards provide important incentives that will serve as a catalyst for deploying new fuel-efficient technologies such as hybrids and advanced drivetrains." Alexander M. Cutler, Eaton chairman and chief executive officer.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My sleeper trucks have RV roof unit a/c and a diesel generator that is plumbed into the trucks fuel system.
    I thought this was interesting. I suggested to Chrysler that if they are going to build a luxury car, make a small compressor that runs off the same fuel, that keeps the car cold while I am in shopping. Leather seats, and maxi-power don't mean crap if I get in my car and its an oven & I have to sweat until the air conditioner cools it off. That is not a luxury car in my opinion. And fix that air so the trunk stays cool on my groceries or candles, etc.. What the hell good is a trunk if all you can haul is cord wood and steel plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post

    I was referring to the second definition

    Tell me, are you able to vote?
    Well, I was correct about the definition. Am I able to vote? Before I answer, would you mind letting me know why you would ask the question?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Then go ride a bicycle! Anyone who drives a car, even a Smart Car, and spouts this garbage is a hypocrite.

    While you think the increase in fuel mileage is reasonable, I am thinking that you are looking only at the 2 mpg and not the 33 1/3 increase in the mpg. That is a huge leap in percentage. Tyrants want to put everyone into chains while freedom wants to unleash the chains. C.A.F.E standards on autos have virutally ended the era of where a person can purchase a full-size sedan and with the future plans, the mid-size and compact will disappear. Freedom allows people to purchase what they desire. Tyranny must crush those desires by putting chains on the people.
    Um, the proposed standards do not dictate a 33.3 mpg increase in mileage for big trucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Seems like not everyone dislikes the idea.
    Your last article has comments from those who are not happy. As for those who agree, obviously, like here on this site, some people in business have no problem with oppessive, authoritarian tyranny.

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