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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You desire it. You want C.A.F.E standards. You want energy standards for lightbulbs. You want big government to control what we can and cannot purchase. You may say that you want free enterprise, but your solutions are the opposite.
    I said I had no desire to dominate and wish to promote them.

    Free enterprise often accomplishes this, but not always.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I said I had no desire to dominate and wish to promote them.

    Free enterprise often accomplishes this, but not always.
    Tyranny works better than free enterprise... in some cases? Woof!

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If either of you have any evidence that this will be some unbearable cost, please post it.
    A brand new, low end class 8 truck costs in the neighborhood of 90 g's. This new technology isn't going to make the price go down. It's just common sense. The fuel savings won't make the price of the truck feasable, when you consider that fuel is 100% tax deductable and truck notes aren't. Besides that, over a 100,000 mile year, the difference between 6mpg and 8mpg is only 4,000 gallons. It won't add up.

    By the way, it will be coming out of my pocket when I go to buy bread. I think reducing fuel consumption will be a better long-term investment though, both for me and for the country. Lower demand for fuel creates lower costs for fuel.
    Your bread will cost the same, either way. You're either going to pay for the price of fuel, or the cost of government mandated equipment upgrades.



    Less pollution reduces health care costs.
    There won't be less polution, because small fleets and owner operators are just going to keep rebuilding their old model trucks, because it's cheaper--not to mention tax deductable--than buying a new truck.

    These new model trucks, with all their new fangled crap are junk, anyway. I have 6 trucks. The newest is a 2004 International and it stays broke down. 99% of the time, it's that new fangled crap that is the problem. I have an 82 Peterbilt that rarely breaks down, and when it does have a problem, not only is it easier to fix, it costs half the price. How much with it cost to repair and maintain these fancy new engines that Obama wants to see on the road? Lots of factors there, that the out of touch folks don't think about.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm certainly mixed on this. I see these trucks sitting and idling and I know that we could come up with a way for them to still operate without sitting around idling all day. I refuse to believe that we couldn't have created more efficient vehicles over the last 60 years. Semi's in the 50's could get 6 mpg.
    My sleeper trucks have RV roof unit a/c and a diesel generator that is plumbed into the trucks fuel system.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am not fan of tyranny, but this doesn't cut the mustard. The simple fact is that industry has failed to advance on its own and needs help.

    This is sensible regulation.
    How did the industry fail and where's the help?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    1. You have yet to prove that it is unrealistic. Also, unrealistic is not the same is not optimally cost effective.
    2. The government has a legitimate interest in reducing dependance on a substance helps to fund elements that destabilize world peace and US interests.
    3. You will need to show that no government is needed and why this is so.
    4. So trucking manufacturers will leave the country, because they have to build trucks with a higher mpg? Did you think this through? (they still have a market here and will still have to build trucks to us specifications to reach that market)

    I want this, because economics is a competing interest among other national interests, such as the environment in which economics relies on to be healthy and security concerns.
    That means that ramping up domestic oil production would be a good idea. Whatcha think?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Tyranny works better than free enterprise... in some cases? Woof!
    The definition of tyranny is very specific. Automotive regulation does not fall under that definition.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That means that ramping up domestic oil production would be a good idea. Whatcha think?
    Producing energy locally would indeed be part of it.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    There won't be less polution, because small fleets and owner operators are just going to keep rebuilding their old model trucks, because it's cheaper--not to mention tax deductable--than buying a new truck.

    These new model trucks, with all their new fangled crap are junk, anyway. I have 6 trucks. The newest is a 2004 International and it stays broke down. 99% of the time, it's that new fangled crap that is the problem. I have an 82 Peterbilt that rarely breaks down, and when it does have a problem, not only is it easier to fix, it costs half the price. How much with it cost to repair and maintain these fancy new engines that Obama wants to see on the road? Lots of factors there, that the out of touch folks don't think about.
    I almost never agree with what Apdst posts, but in this case he is in my opinion correct

    CAFE is a idiotic way of trying to get fuel efficient vehicles on the road. It cause the vehicle makers to make vehicles the market in general does not want. If fuel efficiency is the goal, then make fuel more expensive. The increased costs of fuel will drive the demand for fuel efficient vehicles, and the makers of the trucks or cars will meet that demand.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The definition of tyranny is very specific. Automotive regulation does not fall under that definition.
    Tyranny: Oppressive power exerted by government

    As I said, tyranny.

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