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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Actually I am impressed with your real world experience which makes me wonder how you could be so myopic in your thinking, just a personality thing I guess. Yes I have logged all my life except for a brief stint driving OTR so I could get experience to get a job driving log truck. I have spent most of my life in isolated logging camps from AZ to AK. There’s nothing to do at night except read so everyone brought books which we passed around after reading, that’s why I am so incredibly intelligent and well rounded, LOL. Currently I am building my new home with wood from my land which I harvest and mill. Its post and beam, lots a work but it will be nice. Built my last house too but with store bought lumber. New house is off grid solar which is a learning experience I must say. Now that we are formally introduced I don’t think your that bad and I take back you suck remark.
    You’re building off the grid. I’m very impressed. And it’s not what most others mean when they say “I’m building” which is actually “I’ve hired contractors” ;but, you’re making your lumber and pounding the nails in your design.
    By the way I’ve been called myopic or worse often in my professional career. Often when I argued against building what the customer was asking for, made from building blocks in use currently. As a systems architect my responsibility was to project what the customer would need when the new product was delivered, therefore it needed to made with building blocks just becoming available. I was called myopic but their problem was my hyperopia.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    You all got me confused....
    I've worked with some South Koreans so I think I understand. What is your confusion about?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    "Cummins is already working on bringing new technology to market, and the company will be a year ahead of schedule to meet the requirements, said Rich Freeland, president of the company’s engine business.

    “The big boost will be to those that meet the fuel-economy standards and do it at the lowest cost,” Freeland said. “We intend to get to the standards ahead of the dates that have been targeted.”

    Cummins shares were up more than 5 percent Tuesday afternoon, to 88.18 each, along with an overall rise in the stock market."

    "Trucking companies, who will bear the up-front costs of more expensive technology, will pay for the investments through fuel savings in 18 months to 24 months, said Bill Graves, president and CEO of the American Trucking Associations in Arlington, Virginia.

    “It’s an exciting time for our industry,” Graves said to reporters outside the White House. “It was a win-win for everyone.”
    Cummins OK with new federal fuel standards for trucks | 2011-08-09 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Cummins is already working on bringing new technology to market, and the company will be a year ahead of schedule to meet the requirements, said Rich Freeland, president of the company’s engine business.

    “The big boost will be to those that meet the fuel-economy standards and do it at the lowest cost,” Freeland said. “We intend to get to the standards ahead of the dates that have been targeted.”

    Cummins shares were up more than 5 percent Tuesday afternoon, to 88.18 each, along with an overall rise in the stock market."

    "Trucking companies, who will bear the up-front costs of more expensive technology, will pay for the investments through fuel savings in 18 months to 24 months, said Bill Graves, president and CEO of the American Trucking Associations in Arlington, Virginia.

    “It’s an exciting time for our industry,” Graves said to reporters outside the White House. “It was a win-win for everyone.”
    Cummins OK with new federal fuel standards for trucks | 2011-08-09 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com
    If Cummins was already developing a more fuel efficient and dependable motor and then Obama said I command you to do it, it kinda seems like a cheap political trick doesn’t it?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    I think the big question everyone needs to ask each other is: where is the hover technology Back to the Future II promised us would be here 2015?

    Simply put, less friction = less energy to propel you forward.

    3 1/2 years left. I think we can do it.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If Cummins was already developing a more fuel efficient and dependable motor and then Obama said I command you to do it, it kinda seems like a cheap political trick doesn’t it?
    If that were the case, industry would be saying that instead of what they are actually saying, that this rule should be a model for how government and industry should work together for win/win outcomes.

    You will have to make up something else now, sorry!
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that were the case, industry would be saying that instead of what they are actually saying, that this rule should be a model for how government and industry should work together for win/win outcomes.

    You will have to make up something else now, sorry!
    the industry is right to be happy about this.... i mean, I would be extremely happy if the government mandated my products/technology to be sold.
    i'm sure the manufacturer wanted to get these newer technologies into the market... it means more money for them... and now they have they helping hand of government to ensure it happens.

    the consumers of their products might feel differently after having to foot the bill for the stuff though.

    there have been plenty of products/technologies available for years that help with fuel mileage for big rigs.. but most are dismissed by the "market" as not being a good enough value to invest in.
    i owned my own Diesel Repair service for years, i've seen all sorts of new ideas on fuel mileage (good and bad) come and go.
    some of the better ideas turned out to be far more costly than advertised ( when taking maintenance/repair/replacement into the equation).

    truckers are a no-nonsense bunch of folks... they aren't going to be fooled by the yammerings of politicians and industry salesmen on how great anything is going to be.
    if the industry can make the changes in mileage that will save them money happen, they'll be happy... but if it comes at a cost of significant investment in the new technology, or if it costs them in performance, they simply won't be happy about it... and they won't care much if Obama, Cummins, Cat, Kenworth, Democrats, the UAW or some environmentalist zealots are happy about it or not.


    as for the idea that this is how industry and government should operate together....well, that the way it works with "special interests"... both the special interest and the government are generally pleased with the outcome of their collaboration and market manipulation.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    What exactly is the helping hand from the gov? Really I'm curious.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the industry is right to be happy about this.... i mean, I would be extremely happy if the government mandated my products/technology to be sold.
    i'm sure the manufacturer wanted to get these newer technologies into the market... it means more money for them... and now they have they helping hand of government to ensure it happens.

    the consumers of their products might feel differently after having to foot the bill for the stuff though.

    there have been plenty of products/technologies available for years that help with fuel mileage for big rigs.. but most are dismissed by the "market" as not being a good enough value to invest in.
    i owned my own Diesel Repair service for years, i've seen all sorts of new ideas on fuel mileage (good and bad) come and go.
    some of the better ideas turned out to be far more costly than advertised ( when taking maintenance/repair/replacement into the equation).

    truckers are a no-nonsense bunch of folks... they aren't going to be fooled by the yammerings of politicians and industry salesmen on how great anything is going to be.
    if the industry can make the changes in mileage that will save them money happen, they'll be happy... but if it comes at a cost of significant investment in the new technology, or if it costs them in performance, they simply won't be happy about it... and they won't care much if Obama, Cummins, Cat, Kenworth, Democrats, the UAW or some environmentalist zealots are happy about it or not.


    as for the idea that this is how industry and government should operate together....well, that the way it works with "special interests"... both the special interest and the government are generally pleased with the outcome of their collaboration and market manipulation.


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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post

    truckers are a no-nonsense bunch of folks... they aren't going to be fooled by the yammerings of politicians and industry salesmen on how great anything is going to be.
    Here are what those to be regulated are saying in their own words:

    "This regulation and the process used to establish it are a model for how government and business should work together to meet energy, environment and economic goals." Tim Solso, chairman and CEO of Cummins.

    "With this rule, EPA and NHTSA have now set an example for what could be a worldwide GHG and fuel efficiency regulation for heavy duty trucks and engines." Daniel C. Ustian, Navistar chairman, president and CEO.

    "We support the new federal regulations on greenhouse gas emissions and fuel efficiency as they affect the commercial vehicles industry. We have worked closely and productively with the EPA and NHTSA and look forward to continued collaboration on implementation of the new standards." Sean Waters, Director Compliance and Regulatory Affairs, Daimler Trucks North America

    "This is an important milestone for our industry and our country. We are pleased to be part of a realistic solution that will ultimately help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and conserve natural resources by helping to increase the fuel efficiency of our industry." Douglas W. Stotlar, president and CEO of Con-way Inc.

    "Commercial vehicles account for approximately 20 percent of transportation's fuel use, so fuel efficiency standards are essential to spur affordable and widely available cleaner delivery vehicles." Frederick W. Smith, president, CEO and chairman of FedEx Corp."
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