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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Thank you for your fact free contribution, a boost of emotive incompetence is just what this thread needed.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If you can explain 0 energy to keep 80,000 lbs moving im all ears or eyes in this case. Maybe always go downhill with motor off? You claim to be
    a very intellegent inventor, invent a diesel motor capable of moving 80,000 lbs that gets great mileage then.You will be the richest man alive if you do. Until then you are all talk.
    Invention of a new diesel motor, while it would be a very good thing, is not necessary to meet the new standard, a 2 mpg increase over 7 years. This was already pointed out to you in post #46 and in post #234:

    "This program, which relies heavily on off-the-shelf technologies, was developed in coordination with truck and engine manufacturers, fleet owners, the state of California, environmental groups and other stakeholders."
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Invention of a new diesel motor, while it would be a very good thing, is not necessary to meet the new standard, a 2 mpg increase over 7 years. This was already pointed out to you in post #46 and in post #234:

    "This program, which relies heavily on off-the-shelf technologies, was developed in coordination with truck and engine manufacturers, fleet owners, the state of California, environmental groups and other stakeholders."
    You missed the zero energy to move 80,000 lbs once it's moving thing I see.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You missed the zero energy to move 80,000 lbs once it's moving thing I see.
    I didn't miss it, I excused it, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with meeting the new standard. If you had not missed (3 times now) that the new standard can be met with "off-the-shelf technologies", you would know that.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You missed the zero energy to move 80,000 lbs once it's moving thing I see.
    I see that you looked up the laws of physics are, and now know it takes zero energy to keep 80,000 lbs moving once it is moving. Trucks spent most of the time just working against friction, tires and air. Some drive line too.
    It takes a lot of energy to accelerate 80,000 to 65, but nothing to keep it there unless there is friction. It’s the friction that uses all the energy, tires, air, drive line and a few very small things that don’t count.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I see that you looked up the laws of physics are, and now know it takes zero energy to keep 80,000 lbs moving once it is moving. Trucks spent most of the time just working against friction, tires and air. Some drive line too.
    It takes a lot of energy to accelerate 80,000 to 65, but nothing to keep it there unless there is friction. It’s the friction that uses all the energy, tires, air, drive line and a few very small things that don’t count.
    In the real world trucks pull 6% grades, they buck head winds, they get caught in traffic jams, they go for many miles on highways with stop lights and signs, they even go down town, they bump docks, they slam on the brakes for deer and have to go through all the gears again. Your world is in books, in a class room, in theory, in short, you suck, LOL.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    In the real world trucks pull 6% grades, they buck head winds, they get caught in traffic jams, they go for many miles on highways with stop lights and signs, they even go down town, they bump docks, they slam on the brakes for deer and have to go through all the gears again. Your world is in books, in a class room, in theory, in short, you suck, LOL.
    You can't even come close to my field experience. You are all talk and put down. But there's nothing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You can't even come close to my field experience. You are all talk and put down. But there's nothing there.
    I see you’re a logger, lots of practical experience doing stuff yourself. My practical experience in dealing with trees is limited to cutting down only around ten over 50 ft tall, pines where I was helping my father build his Colorado cabin and a few here on my Michigan property. I have to do another soon since it putting our house at risk. The biggest truck I’ve driven a very old one, late 40’s or early 50’s, about 4 or 6 ton, while I was working construction outside San Luis Obispo, where Park Hill Rd. is now. Of course no syncros in the 4 speed and a 2 speed transfer case. Yup, and more than 6% grades when I went to pick up material down in San Luis Obispo. And last week I found the header rotting for our basement 8’ sliding glass door. Improper flashing was done by the original builder. Two of the three 2x12s were essentially rotted in half in the middle. I had to get out my joist jack to hold up the living room. To remove the two rotted headers, that they used to hang a large deck, I had to screw on a scab board with a chain to my pickup to pop them out. My wife helped me, mostly she was another pair of eyes. So, you have more experience with trucks and trees. How about kilns, potters wheels, slip casting, plumbing, roofing, room additions, 90 lb. jack hammer, etc. Last year I purchased a stand by generator. With no help I did the complete install, I did the propane, cement pad w/ anchors with my mixer, and all the electrical. With my book learning all I needed was two 60 watt incandescent lamps to check if it was running at 60 Hz. It works great. Have you ever done that? I know how to do stuff in many real worlds and I have. I bet you can’t match my real world experience.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I see you’re a logger, lots of practical experience doing stuff yourself. My practical experience in dealing with trees is limited to cutting down only around ten over 50 ft tall, pines where I was helping my father build his Colorado cabin and a few here on my Michigan property. I have to do another soon since it putting our house at risk. The biggest truck I’ve driven a very old one, late 40’s or early 50’s, about 4 or 6 ton, while I was working construction outside San Luis Obispo, where Park Hill Rd. is now. Of course no syncros in the 4 speed and a 2 speed transfer case. Yup, and more than 6% grades when I went to pick up material down in San Luis Obispo. And last week I found the header rotting for our basement 8’ sliding glass door. Improper flashing was done by the original builder. Two of the three 2x12s were essentially rotted in half in the middle. I had to get out my joist jack to hold up the living room. To remove the two rotted headers, that they used to hang a large deck, I had to screw on a scab board with a chain to my pickup to pop them out. My wife helped me, mostly she was another pair of eyes. So, you have more experience with trucks and trees. How about kilns, potters wheels, slip casting, plumbing, roofing, room additions, 90 lb. jack hammer, etc. Last year I purchased a stand by generator. With no help I did the complete install, I did the propane, cement pad w/ anchors with my mixer, and all the electrical. With my book learning all I needed was two 60 watt incandescent lamps to check if it was running at 60 Hz. It works great. Have you ever done that? I know how to do stuff in many real worlds and I have. I bet you can’t match my real world experience.
    Actually I am impressed with your real world experience which makes me wonder how you could be so myopic in your thinking, just a personality thing I guess. Yes I have logged all my life except for a brief stint driving OTR so I could get experience to get a job driving log truck. I have spent most of my life in isolated logging camps from AZ to AK. There’s nothing to do at night except read so everyone brought books which we passed around after reading, that’s why I am so incredibly intelligent and well rounded, LOL. Currently I am building my new home with wood from my land which I harvest and mill. Its post and beam, lots a work but it will be nice. Built my last house too but with store bought lumber. New house is off grid solar which is a learning experience I must say. Now that we are formally introduced I don’t think your that bad and I take back you suck remark.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    You all got me confused....
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