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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    It's pretty clear that you will go with whomever says what you want to hear, regardless of your competence to judge the soundness of what they say.
    And that opinion is as asinine as your last opinion. Please, just the facts Ma'am
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And that opinion is as asinine as your last opinion.
    Denial... it's the first step. Good for you.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    If someone could make a truck get 30% better fuel efficiency they would do so, not because gov mandates it but because they would make a fortune, every trucking comp there is would buy their product. That is the beauty of capitalism.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If someone could make a truck get 30% better fuel efficiency they would do so, not because gov mandates it but because they would make a fortune, every trucking comp there is would buy their product. That is the beauty of capitalism.
    Apparently, you missed this earlier in the thread:

    "Combination tractors will be required to achieve up to approximately 20% reduction in fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by model year 2018."

    "Under the new rules from the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, trucks and buses built in 2014 through 2018 will reduce oil consumption by a projected 530 million barrels and greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution by approximately 270 million metric tons. This program, which relies heavily on off-the-shelf technologies, was developed in coordination with truck and engine manufacturers, fleet owners, the state of California, environmental groups and other stakeholders. "

    "This regulation and the process used to establish it are a model for how government and business should work together to meet energy, environment and economic goals." Tim Solso, chairman and CEO of Cummins.

    "With this rule, EPA and NHTSA have now set an example for what could be a worldwide GHG and fuel efficiency regulation for heavy duty trucks and engines." Daniel C. Ustian, Navistar chairman, president and CEO.

    "We support the new federal regulations on greenhouse gas emissions and fuel efficiency as they affect the commercial vehicles industry. We have worked closely and productively with the EPA and NHTSA and look forward to continued collaboration on implementation of the new standards." Sean Waters, Director Compliance and Regulatory Affairs, Daimler Trucks North America

    "This is an important milestone for our industry and our country. We are pleased to be part of a realistic solution that will ultimately help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and conserve natural resources by helping to increase the fuel efficiency of our industry." Douglas W. Stotlar, president and CEO of Con-way Inc.

    "Commercial vehicles account for approximately 20 percent of transportation's fuel use, so fuel efficiency standards are essential to spur affordable and widely available cleaner delivery vehicles." Frederick W. Smith, president, CEO and chairman of FedEx Corp."
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Apparently, you missed this earlier in the thread:

    "Combination tractors will be required to achieve up to approximately 20% reduction in fuel consumption and greenhouse gas emissions by model year 2018."

    "Under the new rules from the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, trucks and buses built in 2014 through 2018 will reduce oil consumption by a projected 530 million barrels and greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution by approximately 270 million metric tons. This program, which relies heavily on off-the-shelf technologies, was developed in coordination with truck and engine manufacturers, fleet owners, the state of California, environmental groups and other stakeholders. "

    "This regulation and the process used to establish it are a model for how government and business should work together to meet energy, environment and economic goals." Tim Solso, chairman and CEO of Cummins.

    "With this rule, EPA and NHTSA have now set an example for what could be a worldwide GHG and fuel efficiency regulation for heavy duty trucks and engines." Daniel C. Ustian, Navistar chairman, president and CEO.

    "We support the new federal regulations on greenhouse gas emissions and fuel efficiency as they affect the commercial vehicles industry. We have worked closely and productively with the EPA and NHTSA and look forward to continued collaboration on implementation of the new standards." Sean Waters, Director Compliance and Regulatory Affairs, Daimler Trucks North America

    "This is an important milestone for our industry and our country. We are pleased to be part of a realistic solution that will ultimately help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and conserve natural resources by helping to increase the fuel efficiency of our industry." Douglas W. Stotlar, president and CEO of Con-way Inc.

    "Commercial vehicles account for approximately 20 percent of transportation's fuel use, so fuel efficiency standards are essential to spur affordable and widely available cleaner delivery vehicles." Frederick W. Smith, president, CEO and chairman of FedEx Corp."
    That all sounds very nice but I maintain if it was doable it would and could be done for profit incentive alone not due to a gov mandate. Thank you for civil response though.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    That all sounds very nice but I maintain if it was doable it would and could be done for profit incentive alone not due to a gov mandate. Thank you for civil response though.

    You are quite welcome! The fact that it has not been done, disproves your hypothesis.

    I think Tim Solso, chairman and CEO of Cummins put it best: "This regulation and the process used to establish it are a model for how government and business should work together to meet energy, environment and economic goals."
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    My question applies to your statement, specifically that more energy is used to overcome friction than to climb hills and change speed.
    The application to the issue is obvious.
    Show your work.
    I did. I said "On average trucks descend 3% grades as much as they ascend them, i.e. we donít see them flying." Grades don't count. I explained why in some detail. Please read it again.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    A double digit increase can be accomplished with big rigs, however it would likely be very unpopular. I read or heard a story a year or so ago that mentioned they were taking train engine technology and trying to incorporate it onto big rigs. This included larger engines that ran at a very low RPM (something like 500-800RPM). These engines had a significant improvement in fuel mileage however they were very slow to gain momentum. So if they tried this approach the public outcry would be fierce once people were stuck behind trucks that might take 5-10 minutes to hit 70 mph.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are quite welcome! The fact that it has not been done, disproves your hypothesis.

    I think Tim Solso, chairman and CEO of Cummins put it best: "This regulation and the process used to establish it are a model for how government and business should work together to meet energy, environment and economic goals."
    Actually I think the fact that it hasn't been done proves my hypothesis quite nicely. As i said if this could be done it would be done for the fortune the inventor would make. What you are trying to say is the gov is forceing these engine comps to do something that will make them rich, make their stock soar. It makes no sense.I'll leave it there, I see a merry go round coming LOL.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If someone could make a truck get 30% better fuel efficiency they would do so, not because gov mandates it but because they would make a fortune, every trucking comp there is would buy their product. That is the beauty of capitalism.
    Yes. This is clearly not grasped by those who believe that government is The Only Way.

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