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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There are no railroads in the US between those destinations?
    I tried to be so clear about how things work in the real world in my last post and you ask a stupid question like this? Are you really this dumb or just pretending? Before I try to explain why trains canít do what trucks can please tell me you are over 10 years old.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    That should make Liberals feel right at home for blindly supporting Obama's failures.
    Do you know anything at all about supply and demand? CAFE standards do more to improve prices at the pump than the conservative campaign slogan of drill baby drill. I'll take the lower prices, but that's just me.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I tried to be so clear about how things work in the real world in my last post and you ask a stupid question like this? Are you really this dumb or just pretending? Before I try to explain why trains can’t do what trucks can please tell me you are over 10 years old.
    I pitch my questions to your demonstrated level of ignorance. I now realise I have overestimated your ability for which I apologise. Do try to respond appropriately.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I pitch my questions to your demonstrated level of ignorance. I now realise I have overestimated your ability for which I apologise. Do try to respond appropriately.
    A very British attitude, I love it, thanks for the laugh.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    WTF is going on here??? Private Industry backed these standards:

    CAFE Regulations Set Standard of 54.5 mpg by 2025 | New Car Pricing Insider | Tips on buying a new car from insiders

    In addition we won't actually be at 55MPG; CAFE is much different from the EPA standards we use when buying a car.

    When CAFE Meets EPA: A Tale of Two Fuel Economy Standards - AutoObserver

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    WTF is going on here??? Private Industry backed these standards:

    CAFE Regulations Set Standard of 54.5 mpg by 2025 | New Car Pricing Insider | Tips on buying a new car from insiders

    In addition we won't actually be at 55MPG; CAFE is much different from the EPA standards we use when buying a car.

    When CAFE Meets EPA: A Tale of Two Fuel Economy Standards - AutoObserver
    Excellent articles. I just don't get the whole troglodyte wing of the conservative party that shuns efficiency and science that is so important in enabling our economy to prosper. Especially since the price of oil has such a great effect on our entire economy.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The standards would move the average mileage from 6 to 8. You don't think that's reasonable?
    Given the demands of the industry and the technology necessary to achieve this 33% increase in efficiency - how are you competent to judge if this is 'reasonabe' or not?
    Perhaps you can offer some concrete suggestions to that effect.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There are no railroads in the US between those destinations?
    Cetain demands can be met by intermodal/rail.
    Certain demands can not.
    Under ~1000 miles it is virtually always cheaper to move something OTR than by rail; in all cases it is faster.
    Over ~1000 miles, rail is cheaper in most cases - but only if your destination is near a ramp. Try sending a rail box to Butte MT.

    Bulk freight requires a siding or a transload. Both are expensive, and unless you;re shipping 4-6 truckloads at a time, the cost of bulk is prohibitive.
    It is also slow as hell.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    This is one of the best ideas I've seen yet. I've yet to figure out why I have to take my poor little Prius in every 6 mos to have it's emissions checked whlle being run over on the way there by an 18 wheeler belching more diesel fumes than Saudi Arabia

    And PLEASE stop with the "trucks move America" business. Trains get 486 mpg on tracks they maintain themselves, everything that removes trucks from the roads and puts it back on rails will save us fuel. Where I live they built an Allison Chalmers plant about 10 years ago. Great idea, huge factory, mucho jobs, but placed 10 feet from a RR track they decided to have no RR spur, opting instead to debouch some 100 big trucks daily into the thousands of cars arriving/leaving 24/7 on a TWO LANE ROAD

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teilhard View Post
    And PLEASE stop with the "trucks move America" business. Trains get 486 mpg on tracks they maintain themselves...
    That's not exactly the stat. The CSX can move 1 ton of intermodal freight for 486 miles on 1 gallon of diesel.
    100 cars, 2 containers per car, 53,000lbs per container, 1405 miles (Detroit to Miami). Do the math.

    everything that removes trucks from the roads and puts it back on rails will save us fuel.
    You know that one rail container = 2 trucks on the road - right?

    Where I live they built an Allison Chalmers plant about 10 years ago. Great idea, huge factory, mucho jobs, but placed 10 feet from a RR track they decided to have no RR spur, opting instead to debouch some 100 big trucks daily into the thousands of cars arriving/leaving 24/7 on a TWO LANE ROAD
    Its a good bet then that it was less efficient/more costly to ship rail flatcar than OTR truck.

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