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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Another good reason to throw Obama out.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The smaller more efficient local truck collects the goods from the city/town/area long-distance rail yard and delivers it JIT. How hard is that to work out?
    Right. Take a 100 lbs. crate and use an exclusive truck to deliver it from one city to another rather than using putting many tons on one tractor and trailer and running it from one city to another and then delivering. Do you really think that would be cost efficient?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

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    Another good reason to throw Obama out.
    The problem is, that reason only works for idiots.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The smaller more efficient local truck collects the goods from the city/town/area long-distance rail yard and delivers it JIT. How hard is that to work out?
    Company A calls company B and wants 5000 widgets to bolt onto their product in 5 days because they just got a long sought after order from a major retailer. Company A is 4000 miles from company B. Company B calls a trucking company that has a truck there in 30 minutes getting loaded with widgets which then makes a direct run to company A loading dock. Try that with a train. Then theres refer trucks which pick up fresh food from a farm in California Monday morning and unload it at a store in Florida Friday morning, try that with a train.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bad comparison. In 1980 the amount of efficiency of the engines was horrible and the weight difference of the two cars is huge. Today, the engines efficiency level is tapped out and the only way forward is to lower weight and/or horsepower. That is why they are looking for new technologies to try to gain access to greater ability for fuel economy. We will see what their efforts bring.
    I am not sure if you are saying cars today are heavier or cars from the 80s. To note, cars and trucks today are far heavier then cars from the 80s, the HP of the cars today is generally far higher as well

    The Prius is a **** car that proves my point about hitting the wall. The only people that will buy the car are poor that have to save money. They aren't doing it because they don't care for power but because the power is out of their price range.

    The Prius is not a cheap car. In its base version it costs more then the base Camry. It costs alot more then the Yaris and Corolla. People are not buying the Prius because it is cheap, it is not. They buy it for the technology in the car and its performance ( fuel economy performance).


    To compare certain cars

    The 80s Chevy Caprice weight 3900 lbs and its most powerful engine had 150 hp

    The 2012 Dodge Charger has a weight of 4160 lbs (depending on options of course) and its most powerful engine (not including the SRT8) has 370 hp

    Cars and trucks today are more powerfull, safer, and heavier then cars from the 80's. They are also generally faster. They are not more fuel efficient in general (due to the extra weight and more power)
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Right. Take a 100 lbs. crate and use an exclusive truck to deliver it from one city to another rather than using putting many tons on one tractor and trailer and running it from one city to another and then delivering. Do you really think that would be cost efficient?
    Read what I said. The crate wouldn't need to travel between cities it was delivered there by rail. And nobody would be so stupid as to do what you suggest in your extreme example.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The smaller more efficient local truck collects the goods from the city/town/area long-distance rail yard and delivers it JIT. How hard is that to work out?
    You'll have to have twice as many trucks on the road, to move the same amount of freight. Nothing will have been accomplished.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Read what I said. The crate wouldn't need to travel between cities it was delivered there by rail. And nobody would be so stupid as to do what you suggest in your extreme example.
    Sorry, but what you had said was confusing. I thought I understood it, but it looks like I did not.

    Trains are available now and so are over-the-road LTL trucking. Why does LTL still exist? Why has UPS grown to be as big as it has? Why did FedEx get into the ground business in recent year? If JIT can be handled by railroads and it is more cost-efficient, wouldn't trucks be a thing of the past?

    Off the subject, but let me give you an example of where trucks cannot even do the job. Back in 1980, downtime cost at a General Motors plant was something like $100k per minute. If they had a problem and needed something to keep the line going, they would not use rail, they would use same-day air freight.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Company A calls company B and wants 5000 widgets to bolt onto their product in 5 days because they just got a long sought after order from a major retailer. Company A is 4000 miles from company B. Company B calls a trucking company that has a truck there in 30 minutes getting loaded with widgets which then makes a direct run to company A loading dock. Try that with a train. Then theres refer trucks which pick up fresh food from a farm in California Monday morning and unload it at a store in Florida Friday morning, try that with a train.
    There are no railroads in the US between those destinations?
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There are no railroads in the US between those destinations?
    The train system in the US declined when the trucking lobby got politicians to cut off funding for the train system and give it to the trucking industry.
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