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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It ain't gonna be free!
    Reduced fuel consumption lowers demand, helps keep downward pressure on fuel prices. Direct savings from greater fuel economy. Indirect savings from lower pollution and the health care savings that result... these all factor into the cost.

    No, it wont be free. That doesn't mean it wont be worth the cost.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Reduced fuel consumption lowers demand, helps keep downward pressure on fuel prices. Direct savings from greater fuel economy. Indirect savings from lower pollution and the health care savings that result... these all factor into the cost.

    No, it wont be free. That doesn't mean it wont be worth the cost.
    But...but...but...supply and demand don't effect fuel prices!

    If you think that fewer emissions is going to lower healthcare costs and that is somehow going to have a positive effect on, anything, then you need get a grip on the real world.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But...but...but...supply and demand don't effect fuel prices!

    If you think that fewer emissions is going to lower healthcare costs and that is somehow going to have a positive effect on, anything, then you need get a grip on the real world.
    The link between air pollution and all sorts of health issues is very clear.

    Also, stop trying to paint me with ridiculous straw men. I've never said that supply and demand don't effect fuel prices and I'm not aware of anyone ever saying that.

    Because it's stupid.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You realize that it takes the same amount of energy for a train to move X-tons of freight Y-miles, as a truck, right?

    The trick math that they use to claim that a train can move 1 ton of freight 4 hundred-odd miles, is a load of ****.
    LOL! Thanks for your completely unsubstantiated opinion there anonymous internet guy! Sorry, I choose to believe the experts on the issue that have determined just as I quoted above, "For all movements, rail fuel efficiency is higher than truck fuel efficiency in terms of ton-miles per gallon. The ratio between rail and truck fuel efficiency indicates how much more fuel efficient rail is in comparison to trucks."
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How will the regulations be applied to this vehicle:
    The military is way ahead of our puny civilian efforts:

    "The Military Is Preparing For Peak Oil, And Civilian Authorities Are Not"

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    2010 430 horse and 26 mpg highway. 1980 Corvette 180 HP and 20 mpg highway.
    Bad comparison. In 1980 the amount of efficiency of the engines was horrible and the weight difference of the two cars is huge. Today, the engines efficiency level is tapped out and the only way forward is to lower weight and/or horsepower. That is why they are looking for new technologies to try to gain access to greater ability for fuel economy. We will see what their efforts bring.

    Not for those who want mileage. People don't buy a Prius for it's power.
    The Prius is a **** car that proves my point about hitting the wall. The only people that will buy the car are poor that have to save money. They aren't doing it because they don't care for power but because the power is out of their price range.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bad comparison. In 1980 the amount of efficiency of the engines was horrible and the weight difference of the two cars is huge.
    Please, start looking things up before running off about things you don't know.

    1980 curb weight 3495. 2010 curb weight. 3333. We've made some improvement in weight, nothing huge but far be it from me to state that we shouldn't work on getting the weight of trucks down to improve mileage.


    The Prius is a **** car that proves my point about hitting the wall. The only people that will buy the car are poor that have to save money. They aren't doing it because they don't care for power but because the power is out of their price range.
    Look, there is no need to reply. After this one I'll not be replying back.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Please, start looking things up before running off about things you don't know.
    Start to give models so I actually have something to look up.

    1980 curb weight 3495. 2010 curb weight. 3333. We've made some improvement in weight, nothing huge but far be it from me to state that we shouldn't work on getting the weight of trucks down to improve mileage.
    I have no idea where that comes from. I just saying that generally cars are far lighter so any comparison to cars of the early 1980's is bad.


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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The link between air pollution and all sorts of health issues is very clear.

    Also, stop trying to paint me with ridiculous straw men. I've never said that supply and demand don't effect fuel prices and I'm not aware of anyone ever saying that.

    Because it's stupid.
    Ridiculous straw man? You libs always tell us drilling new wells to increase supply will not effect gas prices. As for trains replacing trucks theres a reason they can't, it's called JIT, just in time. It is how company's keep cost down by not having to warehouse and handle goods. They want stuff coming off the truck and going on the shelves or bolted on to whatever they are producing. You libs have absolutely no comprehension of what it takes to run a business. you are all theory, all pie in sky wouldn't it be swell if BS.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Ridiculous straw man? You libs always tell us drilling new wells to increase supply will not effect gas prices. As for trains replacing trucks theres a reason they can't, it's called JIT, just in time. It is how company's keep cost down by not having to warehouse and handle goods. They want stuff coming off the truck and going on the shelves or bolted on to whatever they are producing. You libs have absolutely no comprehension of what it takes to run a business. you are all theory, all pie in sky wouldn't it be swell if BS.
    The smaller more efficient local truck collects the goods from the city/town/area long-distance rail yard and delivers it JIT. How hard is that to work out?
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