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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Only if you assume that the efficiency of converting heat energy to motive force between the two modes of transportation is the same.
    It's not.
    It's not? Freight trains don't use diesel engines? Since when????

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That would largely depend on how much. In a real capitalist society wealth doesn't have the same possibilities of growth that you will see in lets say this economy as this economy mixes protections of ideas into the market. In this market we try to maximum protections which actually just messes with the curve of where money is placed. On the other front we try to control the ideas by regulations like this which actually limit the growth of ideas in general. The argument for intellectual property law is that it protects property, in really however it protects ideas, not property. The argument for regulations is that protects the citizens. In reality both do considerable amount of harm for a small amount of return. If you want to fight the results of people dumping things in the ocean you just outlaw the activity. You don't try to tell the businesses how to avoid the problem as now its merely your ideas that are important in the system.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not expecting a doubling in gas mileage. 30 years ago if you would have said that a Corvette would get in the upper 20's, do it cleanly and with more power it would have been said that it couldn't be done.

    Part of the country's problem is that we have lost our vision for what we can do. Go to the moon? Are you crazy, can't be done.

    We've just been complacent here.
    There are more variables involved in move 80,000 pounds than there are in moving 2,000 pounds.

    I can get 8 mpg out of a bobtail tractor, but it's not going to happen pulling a load.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not? Freight trains don't use diesel engines? Since when????
    You're suggesting that the engines are the same? Same model? Really?

    You're also assuming identical drag and friction ratios.
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not expecting a doubling in gas mileage. 30 years ago if you would have said that a Corvette would get in the upper 20's, do it cleanly and with more power it would have been said that it couldn't be done.

    Part of the country's problem is that we have lost our vision for what we can do. Go to the moon? Are you crazy, can't be done.

    We've just been complacent here.
    I hope you realize that after market parts will improve your gas mileage and are made by people that actually have interest in doing it. Car companies have to deal with two different demands from the consumers and they can't do both unlike the other group of people that can do both as its more of individual service. The two demands that car companies have to deal with is first high horsepower and second is high gas mileage. You can't have both so the car companies pick the one that consumers demand more often, which is horsepower. If you want the later you should use the after market parts to improve your gas mileage. Trying say the market is not good enough because your demands that are actually in the minority should be listened to over the majority is not how a market works and its not how the country even should function. And like I said, with the existence of after market parts the argument has no feet as the demand is actually being dealt with. All that people have to do now is actually use the avenue to get their demand.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not? Freight trains don't use diesel engines? Since when????
    They use diesel electric motors and are moved along low friction steel rails. From an energy perspective they are far more efficient, they just lack the time aspect and have to pay the full cost of maintaining the transportation system
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are more variables involved in move 80,000 pounds than there are in moving 2,000 pounds.

    I can get 8 mpg out of a bobtail tractor, but it's not going to happen pulling a load.
    Don't worry about it. With the new mpg ratings you won't need to be able to carry 80,000 lbs. so you can put 40,000 lbs on each of your new light semis. You save 33 1/3% on your mileage, but you will need ot use more fuel overall due to more runs. This will make economic sense to you when you become a convert and two runs will do wonders for the environment.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are more variables involved in move 80,000 pounds than there are in moving 2,000 pounds.

    I can get 8 mpg out of a bobtail tractor, but it's not going to happen pulling a load.
    There are even more variables in getting to the moon. The amount of variables are not the deciding factor in whether or not something can be done.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I hope you realize that after market parts will improve your gas mileage and are made by people that actually have interest in doing it. Car companies have to deal with two different demands from the consumers and they can't do both unlike the other group of people that can do both as its more of individual service. The two demands that car companies have to deal with is first high horsepower and second is high gas mileage. You can't have both so the car companies pick the one that consumers demand more often, which is horsepower.
    Have you read nothing I've wrote? GM indeed did both with the Corvette. They improved mileage and power.

    If you want the later you should use the after market parts to improve your gas mileage. Trying say the market is not good enough because your demands that are actually in the minority should be listened to over the majority is not how a market works and its not how the country even should function. And like I said, with the existence of after market parts the argument has no feet as the demand is actually being dealt with. All that people have to do now is actually use the avenue to get their demand.
    The majority wants crappy gas mileage? Are you even reading what you write?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There are even more variables in getting to the moon. The amount of variables are not the deciding factor in whether or not something can be done.
    I think the biggest question is: How much will it cost to do it? NASA didn't have to worry about overhead, a whole lot.

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