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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    I drive a 1994 F-250 4x4 turbo diesel idi that I bought new. It has 350K and barely uses oil. Recently I considered buying a new pickup and did alot of research on new diesels. They are crap! The mandates gov has put on diesel motors have ruined them, they are having all sorts of problems and are extremely expensive to repair. I can just imagine what new big rig mandates will do to make them unreliable and expensive to operate. We will all pay the cost. By the way, I am keeping my old rig, they literally don't make em like that anymore.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I drive a 1994 F-250 4x4 turbo diesel idi that I bought new. It has 350K and barely uses oil. Recently I considered buying a new pickup and did alot of research on new diesels. They are crap! The mandates gov has put on diesel motors have ruined them, they are having all sorts of problems and are extremely expensive to repair. I can just imagine what new big rig mandates will do to make them unreliable and expensive to operate. We will all pay the cost. By the way, I am keeping my old rig, they literally don't make em like that anymore.
    This is a fair point. New regulations have caused a drop in diesel mileage.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    We have seen from history that capitalism does increase wealth for people. moreso than other systems I am aware of, however, this does not mean it is a perfect system, but it does help to serve the purpose of the progression of humanity in certain ways. Also, it is not entirely a black and white issue as people can approach this issue from any angle.
    That would largely depend on how much. In a real capitalist society wealth doesn't have the same possibilities of growth that you will see in lets say this economy as this economy mixes protections of ideas into the market. In this market we try to maximum protections which actually just messes with the curve of where money is placed. On the other front we try to control the ideas by regulations like this which actually limit the growth of ideas in general. The argument for intellectual property law is that it protects property, in really however it protects ideas, not property. The argument for regulations is that protects the citizens. In reality both do considerable amount of harm for a small amount of return. If you want to fight the results of people dumping things in the ocean you just outlaw the activity. You don't try to tell the businesses how to avoid the problem as now its merely your ideas that are important in the system.

    And laws against murder are telling people what to do.
    An authoritarian action is trying to reach the result the government desires. Murder laws do not fit the bill as it actions are merely to punish the people that do the action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Still haven't seen those numbers on what the "damage" will be.
    You are not likely to either. Science denial does not require numbers. That's one of the great things about it. You just make an assertion based completely on your gut feeling!
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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, I don't believe it. As I said, that's what long haul trucks would get 60 years ago. There is no reason we haven't made gains in those 60 years.
    You can have reduced emissions, fuel efficiency, or power. You can't have all three at the same time. I think that's the part that alot of folks are missing.

    Engine manufacturers have already engineered engines, in order to reduce emissions, raise fuel mileage. So far, they've gotten about 1.5 mpg in additional mileage, under normal circumstances.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If the tecnnological task of increasing mileage of big trucks is insurmountable, perhaps it is time we started moving more freight by rail which is already more energy efficient.
    Have you checked the fuel mileage on your garden variety freight train, lately?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has presented any evidence that damage would be worse than the damage caused by continued wasteful use of declining oil supplies and the resulting pollution.
    God forbid anyone use a little common sense.

    Hint: new technology isn't free. Who do you think is going to end up paying for it?

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can have reduced emissions, fuel efficiency, or power. You can't have all three at the same time. I think that's the part that alot of folks are missing.
    I still disagree as to my earlier point concerning new Corvette's. They are more efficient, pollute less and create more power than Corvette's of the past.

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are not likely to either. Science denial does not require numbers. That's one of the great things about it. You just make an assertion based completely on your gut feeling!
    Ok. Show us where it's going to be cheaper to operate these new fangled vehicles. Can't wait!

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    Re: CAFE standards for big rigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I still disagree as to my earlier point concerning new Corvette's. They are more efficient, pollute less and create more power than Corvette's of the past.
    How often does a Corvette pull 4 times it's own weight? Hook up a trailer that gross's out at 10 thousand pounds and see how much fuel mileage it gets.

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