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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    The problem with you anti-regulation people is that you haven't got burned by lack of regulation. And you people automatically assume the worst about all laws.
    People should be able to drive any vehicle they want to, regardless of their ability to do so safely. They should be able to do so drinking or smoking whatever they want to. If you get killed, that's a risk you take by driving on public roads. Speed limits, red lights, driving on the right, it's all just big government telling us what to do!

    Now in seriousness, it seems like the idea is that big farms with employees hire people who can operate the vehicles. Is that bad? Is it bad for a business to have competent employees?


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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    General Notice: Regulatory Guidance: Applicability of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations to Operators of Certain Farm Vehicles and Off-Road Agricultural Equipment - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

    Reading the summary, it appear Apdst is wrong. As usual.

    And I expect a commercial carrier who's hauling tons of agricultural products around in huge trucks to have CDLs.
    Commercial carriers already do have CDL's.

    Apples and oranges, as usual.

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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Basically if you're not a common or contract carrier, you have nothing to fear. Reading. It helps!

    And I expect large contract carriers with huge trucks to have CDLs. The same way I expect someone moving a large back hoe down the freeway to have a CDL even if he works for a small construction company. The same way I expect the guys driving the massive trailers delivering mountains of beer to bars to have a CDLs. Have you SEEN the size of some of the trucks hauling grain?

    The problem with you anti-regulation people is that you haven't got burned by lack of regulation. And you people automatically assume the worst about all laws.
    No one here is anti-regulation. We are pro-common-sense regulation. Forcing a farmer to get a CDL, to drive a tractor doesn't qualify as common sense regulation.

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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    People should be able to drive any vehicle they want to, regardless of their ability to do so safely. They should be able to do so drinking or smoking whatever they want to. If you get killed, that's a risk you take by driving on public roads. Speed limits, red lights, driving on the right, it's all just big government telling us what to do!

    Now in seriousness, it seems like the idea is that big farms with employees hire people who can operate the vehicles. Is that bad? Is it bad for a business to have competent employees?
    The question is: will the benefits of the regulations outway the disqualification of fram workers from working on a farm? How much more money will be spent on enforcement?

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    Re: Farmers may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with an out of control, over-regulating government that is looking to hit people with any kind of new regulation--in this case a new application of an old regulation--so that they can take more money out of the pockets of the citizens and put more money into the coffers of the government.
    Ya mean kinda like requiring someone to have a picture ID to vote?...
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    Re: Farmers may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Ya mean kinda like requiring someone to have a picture ID to vote?...
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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It doesn't say that.
    Did you read the actual posting? Or just adpst's article?
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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Commercial carriers already do have CDL's.

    Apples and oranges, as usual.
    Glad you recognize your failure.

    Forcing a farmer to get a CDL, to drive a tractor doesn't qualify as common sense regulation.
    Except that the actual notice makes it clear it won't apply to them.

    The question is: will the benefits of the regulations outway the disqualification of fram workers from working on a farm? How much more money will be spent on enforcement?
    Care to explain based on the actual notice how that will occur? The actual notice makes it clear who will be exempted.
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    Re: Farmer may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Did you read the actual posting? Or just adpst's article?
    Yes I did. As already noted, commercial drivers are already required to have CDL's. So this is either covering something else or a massive redundancy.

    Except that the actual notice makes it clear it won't apply to them.
    The notice is a small blurb that really doesn't cover much of anything but it clearly states whatever this is does cover them unless their state wants to write an exclusion for them.
    Last edited by 1Perry; 08-13-11 at 04:37 PM.

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    Re: Farmers may have to get CDL's

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with an out of control, over-regulating government that is looking to hit people with any kind of new regulation--in this case a new application of an old regulation--so that they can take more money out of the pockets of the citizens and put more money into the coffers of the government.
    This should only be required if the farm equipment is driven on public roads.

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