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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    one person one vote is hardly sacred-except to those who pander to the masses. It sure isn't sacred in corporate america-you one one share and I own 100 you think you get as many votes? or better yet if you don't have any shares at all?
    Actually the US Supreme Court says it is.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims

    As to corporate America - our government is not yet that of corporate America.... that nightmare scenario may indeed be a wet dream of ALEC supporters and those on the far right, but it is not now our governmental framework. So your comparison is irrelevant and totally without any intellectual foundation of any kind.
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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I laugh at such claims from people such as you
    Turtle, you can laugh all you want and that is your right. But when you espouse such views as you do, - in this case connecting voting to paying taxes or giving people votes on the basis of how much taxes they do pay - why is it surprising that people find those views to be anti-American. Laughing does not make those conclusions go away.
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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually the US Supreme Court says it is.

    Reynolds v. Sims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As to corporate America - our government is not yet that of corporate America.... that nightmare scenario may indeed be a wet dream of ALEC supporters and those on the far right, but it is not now our governmental framework. So your comparison is irrelevant and totally without any intellectual foundation of any kind.
    another appeal to authority

    because something is the current law doesn't make it "right"

    you rant all the time about the USSC case that gave corporations rights you are upset with.

    a government that allows the many to vote away the wealth of the public treasury is going to ultimately collapse



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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle, you can laugh all you want and that is your right. But when you espouse such views as you do, - in this case connecting voting to paying taxes or giving people votes on the basis of how much taxes they do pay - why is it surprising that people find those views to be anti-American. Laughing does not make those conclusions go away.
    you love a system that allows leftwingers to buy the votes of the many with the money of the rich



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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

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    you love a system that allows leftwingers to buy the votes of the many with the money of the rich
    Turtle , you are running circles in much like the proverbial dog chasing it tail and the debate will go nowhere if you persist. Your statement above does not even make any sense. Its just over the top hyperbole intended for some sort of shock value. That may have worked the first 1,000 times you employed such shock tactics, but now they barely merit a yawn since we have heard your beliefs seemingly forever. It is not your beliefs which make the debate. It is your support for them and you provide none.

    because something is the current law doesn't make it "right"
    I do not know what your views of "right" have anything to do with my statement that one man - one vote was a sacred American principle. I am dealing with the reality of the way things actually are in America.


    One man - one vote is indeed a sacred principle in the USA. You may hate it. You may hate the US governmental system. You may have complete contempt for America, its government, its people and its representative systems but that changes nothing that one man one vote is a sacred principle of our system.
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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle , you are running circles in much like the proverbial dog chasing it tail and the debate will go nowhere if you persist.

    One man - one vote is indeed a sacred principle in the USA. You may hate it. You may hate the US governmental system. You may have complete contempt for America, its government, its people and its representative systems but that changes nothing that one man one vote is a sacred principle of our system.
    its not sacred-it wasn't something the founders supported. Its a prophylactic against worse systems. most intelligent people realize that society would be better off if some people didn't vote but the problem is we have no way of properly screening that. So the least harmful alternative is allowing everyone to vote even though more people know who the last two finalists on American idol was rather than their two senators.

    political realities is why we have everyone able to vote and a progressive income tax-not some sacred holiness you appeal to



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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its not sacred-it wasn't something the founders supported. Its a prophylactic against worse systems. most intelligent people realize that society would be better off if some people didn't vote but the problem is we have no way of properly screening that. So the least harmful alternative is allowing everyone to vote even though more people know who the last two finalists on American idol was rather than their two senators.

    political realities is why we have everyone able to vote and a progressive income tax-not some sacred holiness you appeal to
    How does anything you just wrote change that one person one vote is the law of the land and according to the US Supreme Court - fully in keeping with the US Constitution?

    Who are these "most intelligent people" you allude to but do not mention by name or with examples?

    Present them and their views if you can... if they exist ... if they are anything more than a fiction you are creating to attempt to give a tiny bit of support to some extremist anti-democratic viewpoints.

    LETS SEE EM.
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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Turtle , you are running circles in much like the proverbial dog chasing it tail and the debate will go nowhere if you persist. Your statement above does not even make any sense. Its just over the top hyperbole intended for some sort of shock value. That may have worked the first 1,000 times you employed such shock tactics, but now they barely merit a yawn since we have heard your beliefs seemingly forever. It is not your beliefs which make the debate. It is your support for them and you provide none.


    I do not know what your views of "right" have anything to do with my statement that one man - one vote was a sacred American principle. I am dealing with the reality of the way things actually are in America.


    One man - one vote is indeed a sacred principle in the USA. You may hate it. You may hate the US governmental system. You may have complete contempt for America, its government, its people and its representative systems but that changes nothing that one man one vote is a sacred principle of our system.
    One person one vote: exception to the rule. electoral college on Presidential elections. We don't elect Presidents by popular vote, just saying.
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    Re: American Millionaires: 1,400 Paid No U.S. Income Taxes In 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    One person one vote: exception to the rule. electoral college on Presidential elections. We don't elect Presidents by popular vote, just saying.
    yes indeed... we all know that. And you bring up a great reason to get rid of the damn thing.

    sadly Turtle is using the idea of connecting how much you pay in taxes to how many votes he believes one should get. He seems to want a corporate shareholder voting system for America.

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    one person one vote is hardly sacred-except to those who pander to the masses. It sure isn't sacred in corporate america-you one one share and I own 100 you think you get as many votes? or better yet if you don't have any shares at all?
    I have no doubt such a anti-American scheme is being floated in the circles of ALEC in New Orleans this very week.
    Last edited by haymarket; 08-06-11 at 08:44 PM.
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