Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 31

Thread: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islamist

  1. #11
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That Lieberman has the balls to call himself an American still is mind-boggling.... bet when he does finally leave the US Congress, the first thing he will do is move to Israel and maybe even renounce his American citizenship.
    For you to comment on such a thing is a joke.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  2. #12
    User Schaff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Saint Louis, MO
    Last Seen
    09-15-11 @ 06:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    To reaffirm what has been stated in this thread already, all programs need to be on the table for reform and cuts. The big problem with Social Security is the very aura the word has around it. Whenever someone says "Social Security cuts" much of the nation is immediately tagging the person as a special interest baron. While I by no means support major cuts of Social Security, the idea of making some cuts to it should be on the table. Our economy is going through some rough times, and just like with all things, when there's a lack of money, certain things have to be cut back. It'll be hard for Americans and should be avoided if there is a way to, but if it'll help get the economy back on its feat, then it should definitely be taken into consideration.

    The quicker we make the necessary cuts and reforms, the sooner the economy gets back to a strong recovery and eventually a prosperity. Then programs like Social Security and the like, if cut, can flourish again.

  3. #13
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:33 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    90,006

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    from American

    Where is the examples of entitlement waste?
    Okay - I'll bite. Where are they?

    from Schaff

    The quicker we make the necessary cuts and reforms, the sooner the economy gets back to a strong recovery and eventually a prosperity. Then programs like Social Security and the like, if cut, can flourish again.
    Just how much in actual dollars has Social Security contributed to the debt or deficit of the United States of America?
    Last edited by haymarket; 08-03-11 at 01:38 PM.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  4. #14
    User Schaff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Saint Louis, MO
    Last Seen
    09-15-11 @ 06:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from American



    Okay - I'll bite. Where are they?

    from Schaff



    Just how much in actual dollars has Social Security contributed to the debt or deficit of the United States of America?
    According to my knowledge, and I encourage you to prove me wrong, a good chunk of our national debt is owed to the Social Security program. Or at least it was at some point. In 2000, around the time when the national surplus began to become an ever-growing national debt, amounting to $3,600 for every man, woman, and child living in the United States.

    I'm new to the political world, so to speak, but I'm confident that even more money than 11 years ago is now owed to the Social Security program.

  5. #15
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:33 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    90,006

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    A debt is what you owe for past spending. What Social Security spending have we incurred that was not covered by FICA taxes taken in?
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  6. #16
    Uncanny
    Paschendale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    New York City
    Last Seen
    03-31-16 @ 04:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    12,510

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Droopy's priorities are a bit backward.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

  7. #17
    Sage
    Lord Tammerlain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:06 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    10,432

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Schaff View Post
    According to my knowledge, and I encourage you to prove me wrong, a good chunk of our national debt is owed to the Social Security program. Or at least it was at some point. In 2000, around the time when the national surplus began to become an ever-growing national debt, amounting to $3,600 for every man, woman, and child living in the United States.

    I'm new to the political world, so to speak, but I'm confident that even more money than 11 years ago is now owed to the Social Security program.
    The US government actually owes money to s.s from its borrowing from the s.s surplus. Future unfunded liabilities do add up to a large sum in s.s. but currently it has a surplus using traditional government accounting rules.
    Happy Hanukkah Cheerfull Kwanzaa
    Happy Christmas Merry New Year Festivus for the rest of us

  8. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That Lieberman has the balls to call himself an American still is mind-boggling.... bet when he does finally leave the US Congress, the first thing he will do is move to Israel and maybe even renounce his American citizenship.
    You've hear his words to this effect, or are you still suffering from the News Of The World syndrome?

  9. #19
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 12:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,691

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why is it so easy for people to point out flaws in defense, yet be speechless when it comes to entitlements? Where is the examples of entitlement waste? 40% of the budget on entitlements, and not one obvious one? How about a list ten miles long, showing all the fraud resulting from stupidly written legislation. I can tell you about a ton of defense problems, mainly due to initial requirement initial setup that were unachieveable to begin with.
    I wholly agree that entitlement program reform is needed. The current framework is not sustainable. An opportunity to begin the mandatory spending program reform e.g., with perhaps a modest step such announcing an increase in the Social Security eligibility age, was missed in the recent debt ceiling-deficit reduction negotiations. Psychologically, when so many people are direct beneficiaries of one or more entitlement programs, it is difficult for those recipients to argue that such benefits would need to be reformed. Defense, on the other hand, has a far smaller footprint in terms of those who are recipients of defense spending (armed forces, contractors, etc.).

    Perhaps if the net present value of the unfunded portion of the entitlement spending were required to be placed on the balance sheet and changes reflected in the annual budget outcomes e.g., increases in that liability would have an impact of increasing the reported federal deficit, some of the resistance to reform could be reduced. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Indeed, precisely because unfunded liabilities do not appear on the balance sheet and changes in those liabilities are not reflected in annual budget surpluses or deficits, state and municipal governments have largely circumvented balanced budget rules by grossly underfunding health and/or pension benefits. In other words, their reported balanced budgets are frequently accounting illusions.

  10. #20
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Joe Lieberman Says U.S. Should Cut Social Security To Pay For Fighting ‘The Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A debt is what you owe for past spending. What Social Security spending have we incurred that was not covered by FICA taxes taken in?
    Present debt is past spending - due now. Projected debt is future spending - due later. Yesterday, today, tomorrow - that whole thing. Tomorrow always comes and sometimes tomorrow hurts like a bitch when it's here.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •