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    FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    WASHINGTON -- The failure of Congress to authorize a budget for the Federal Aviation Administration has put some 4,000 agency employees and tens of thousands of contractors temporarily out of work. But even some FAA workers who haven't been furloughed find themselves in a peculiar financial jam.

    Roughly 40 FAA inspectors have been asked to continue working despite the stoppage because their jobs are important for air safety. Yet since Congress hasn't allocated money to the agency, these employees have to cover their own travel expenses until the shutdown is resolved. Although their wages and expenses will eventually be recouped, these workers will end up covering work-related credit charges -- and possibly interest -- until funding is freed up.

    The inspectors are among the thousands who will suffer the real consequences of congressional deadlock.

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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    It's disgusting. The GOP is once again holding something hostage and demanding a ransom. Either we destroy union rights for workers or the FAA stays shut down.

    Some of the airlines are thrilled. They get to bleed people for tickets, force people to work for free (or pay to work), etc. And things won't be that much better if the GOP gets their way. Either way, the result is the same.

    The idea that it won't compromise safety is BS. The FAA has already missed a deadline for releasing safety protocols. It will only get worse from here. At this point, I wouldn't get on a plane, period. But again, the guys at the top are happy because it's that much more money they can pocket instead of putting back into their company.

    I don't really know what should be done. As disastrous as this is, I'm not sure it would be any better in the long run if the Dems had caved. So in a way, it's good they did this. They keep crumbling every time the GOP takes something hostage which just makes them more and more inclined to continue doing so. How many government-made crisis have we had in the past year? At least a handful. I've never seen or even heard of anything like it.

    But what are the outcomes of this? The GOP doesn't have much motivation to compromise. Their masters are happy. And they don't care about the people. Even when Congress comes back into session, what possible reason do they have to compromise if they're still getting their all-important corporate money?

    And that's the thing about all these GOP-created disasters. It doesn't matter if they get their way or if the disaster comes to fruition. No matter what happens, the people footing their campaign bills are happy, and the people who vote for them are either convinced the second coming is nigh or grasping their guns in excitement for the collapse without understanding what that will do to them, so they don't care either.

    In short, I don't see any positive outcome for this.
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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    They will be compensated, they have to be. That includes any interest. Otherwise there are going to be big lawsuits from thousands of people.

    I understand why people are annoyed with government about this, but at the same time, they're going to get their money. We just have to hope that in the mean time they can do some stop-gap solutions in their lives to hold on a bit longer.

    The debt ceiling discussions were unnecessarily complicated, and in the end the bill ended up being watered down anyway. It was the ultimate instance of time wasted and the end product not having much to show for it. At the same time though, everyone who is on congress, we voted in... so this deal is representative of our own political choices to some degree.

    I just hope people get paid who need it, and soon.

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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    They will be compensated, they have to be.
    Have to?

    When most of the red team and a decent chunk of the blue team is owned, they don't "have" to do anything. I think corporations have been making that abundantly clear for the last few years.

    They should. And they most likely will, this time around. But have to? Nope.

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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    It's disgusting. The GOP is once again holding something hostage and demanding a ransom. Either we destroy union rights for workers or the FAA stays shut down.

    Some of the airlines are thrilled. They get to bleed people for tickets, force people to work for free (or pay to work), etc. And things won't be that much better if the GOP gets their way. Either way, the result is the same.

    The idea that it won't compromise safety is BS. The FAA has already missed a deadline for releasing safety protocols. It will only get worse from here. At this point, I wouldn't get on a plane, period. But again, the guys at the top are happy because it's that much more money they can pocket instead of putting back into their company.

    I don't really know what should be done. As disastrous as this is, I'm not sure it would be any better in the long run if the Dems had caved. So in a way, it's good they did this. They keep crumbling every time the GOP takes something hostage which just makes them more and more inclined to continue doing so. How many government-made crisis have we had in the past year? At least a handful. I've never seen or even heard of anything like it.

    But what are the outcomes of this? The GOP doesn't have much motivation to compromise. Their masters are happy. And they don't care about the people. Even when Congress comes back into session, what possible reason do they have to compromise if they're still getting their all-important corporate money?

    And that's the thing about all these GOP-created disasters. It doesn't matter if they get their way or if the disaster comes to fruition. No matter what happens, the people footing their campaign bills are happy, and the people who vote for them are either convinced the second coming is nigh or grasping their guns in excitement for the collapse without understanding what that will do to them, so they don't care either.

    In short, I don't see any positive outcome for this.
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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    So - since an agreement was reached and passed they don't actually have to cover the cost of anything?

    It was like that earlier this year when things 'almost' stopped - my husband's pay was pre-emptively postponed and he had to go out of town on a pre-planned trip to receive and injured soldier. We dipped into savings to cover the expense - they did reimburse us later.
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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    WASHINGTON -- The failure of Congress to authorize a budget for the Federal Aviation Administration has put some 4,000 agency employees and tens of thousands of contractors temporarily out of work. But even some FAA workers who haven't been furloughed find themselves in a peculiar financial jam.

    Roughly 40 FAA inspectors have been asked to continue working despite the stoppage because their jobs are important for air safety. Yet since Congress hasn't allocated money to the agency, these employees have to cover their own travel expenses until the shutdown is resolved. Although their wages and expenses will eventually be recouped, these workers will end up covering work-related credit charges -- and possibly interest -- until funding is freed up.

    The inspectors are among the thousands who will suffer the real consequences of congressional deadlock.

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    Boo Hoo........ employees all over the country in private business must pay for their own expenses. They file an expense report and get a check a month later.

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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    You know, thoug h- it does make me wonder what everyone else is even employed for.

    their none-essentials outnumber the essentials . . . just what isn't getting done, then? and how soon can they be fired to save the admin money?
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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Boo Hoo........ employees all over the country in private business must pay for their own expenses. They file an expense report and get a check a month later.
    Well, I have to admit that some of these expenses such as travel can get quite high on their govt credit card, which they are responsible for until reimbursed. We don't know all the details, and I would be surprised if it weren't against regulations to require govt travel without a funding source in place. So things aren't always what they seem either. These employees who are "forced" to work due to national security or safety (like the military does) are probably covered under some emergency funding for immediate expenses related to their work.
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    Re: FAA Shutdown Means Workers Must Pay To Work

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know, thoug h- it does make me wonder what everyone else is even employed for.

    their none-essentials outnumber the essentials . . . just what isn't getting done, then? and how soon can they be fired to save the admin money?
    I understand how people like to play politics with the terms "essential" and nonessential", but within the govt there are categories of employees under these classes. Uniformed military are usually essential, plus civilian security, civilians required to maintain minimal operations (IT, facilities, certain supervisory personnel). These are usually consider mission essential personnel. It's a silly game that people like to play. The problem is that you don't understand what those terms really mean.
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