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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not a 'right' - but a useful tool which will enable people to find a job, care for their children and get to work.

    If someone's going ot be living on welfare for a while they BETTER be going to school or getting a job. They BETTER take their kids to the dr's and dentist routinely - they BETTER strive ot improve things for theirselves. That is the purpose of support.
    Because the government owes you all of that.

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ah well: see - I was never and still am not a crack dealer or a drug addict. Even back in my days of having a pager.

    Oh snap

    Lets hope you don't wake up one day with *nothing* due to circumstances out of your control and then have to swallow your pride and head to the Health Department to sign up for foodstamps. For me - it was unbelievably humiliating as it is for many.
    I recieved food stamps at one point. I don't have a problem with helping people out. The problem is after this the politician has to come up with another right to get the campaign cash from another source or additional promises to keep the votes for those he is giving things away to.

    A free phone will only get you a vote for so long. As I pointed out earlier, many places now only take applications online. What if you don't have a computer or internet access? Do we upgrade the tracphone to an iphone? At what point does it get to where the government is simply giving you enough that you decide you are satified with that?

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Ok, this is a bit silly.

    While I think the article is using slightly histrionic language, the guts of this are still baffling to me.

    I believe having access to communications like the internet and phone service are a right, in the sense that the government should not have the ability to take them away. But that doesn't mean people are entitled to personally own them.

    While it is true having a phone makes things easier, it is not a necessity for having a job. My dad doesn't have a cell phone, by choice. He uses Skype as his "landline," so to speak (which is WAY cheaper than either a cell phone or a standard land line, and can be used from any computer, or even a Skype phone). He has no trouble getting or holding a job.

    This is a waste of taxpayer money. A cell phone is not necessary.

    You can get unlimited Skype minutes in the US and a Skype phone number for people to call, for $9 per month. Less if you go with a long-term plan. With the tiniest bit of tech savvy, you can get a wifi-enabled phone from a charity like OV mentions and run Skype on it. It's not tough.
    That's good to know! But again, contact your state rep./Congressman/Senator and tell them about the alternatives and abuses. And maybe, you can help change this particular law for the better. Don't just complain; tell the right people, i.e., Virgin Mobile, about what you see as problems with this.

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the vast majority have a friend with a phone. What if they have no car to get to the interview? No computer to put in an online application? (many places only take online apps now)
    There are systems in place (buses and libraries) to take care of that. The difference is that the public phone infrastructure is quickly going the way of the streetcar.

    I'm not sure what I think about the cell phones to be completely honest. I dislike the knee-jerk conservatism that starts talking about "waste" in welfare programs because people are getting things that aren't technically necessary. Electricity and indoor plumbing aren't technically necessary. Should Section 8 housing have no electricity and an outhouse? Technically, you could survive if you only ate every other day. Etc.

    There's real waste in the Pentagon that makes this look like nothing. You don't hear Conservatives mouthing off about that very much.


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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I recieved food stamps at one point. I don't have a problem with helping people out. The problem is after this the politician has to come up with another right to get the campaign cash from another source or additional promises to keep the votes for those he is giving things away to.

    A free phone will only get you a vote for so long. As I pointed out earlier, many places now only take applications online. What if you don't have a computer or internet access? Do we upgrade the tracphone to an iphone? At what point does it get to where the government is simply giving you enough that you decide you are satified with that?
    The majority of poor people don't even vote - Obama's election was unusual and not the norm and most certainly they aren't gathering to vote for local elections.
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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In some cases, cell phone service is actually cheaper than a landline. So depending on costs in Pennsylvania, the State may actually be saving taxpayer money by providing cell phones instead of a landline.

    It's a great headline to get people's dander up, but in reality it may be a good thing. Unless you're suddenly against the government saving money, which I doubt.
    The gov't can save money by not providing any phone service. There is no right to phone service of any type. Nor to any type of privately offered service for that matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the vast majority have a friend with a phone. What if they have no car to get to the interview? No computer to put in an online application? (many places only take online apps now)
    And many of those places offer computer kiosks in their stores for you to fill them out at. Basically instead of seeing the manager for an application you fill it out right then and there on the computer they provide.

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There are systems in place (buses and libraries) to take care of that. The difference is that the public phone infrastructure is quickly going the way of the streetcar.
    That in no way addresses the point that the vast majority will have a friend with a phone. They are reliant on someone else to get a ride or internet access but for some reason it's wrong to say they should be for phone service also?

    I'm not sure what I think about the cell phones to be completely honest. I dislike the knee-jerk conservatism that starts talking about "waste" in welfare programs because people are getting things that aren't technically necessary. Electricity and indoor plumbing aren't technically necessary. Should Section 8 housing have no electricity and an outhouse? Technically, you could survive if you only ate every other day. Etc.
    So, while you aren't sure that this is a good idea, you are going to argue for it because you dislike those argueing against it?

    There's real waste in the Pentagon that makes this look like nothing. You don't hear Conservatives mouthing off about that very much.
    We should make large cuts in the Pentagon's budget. IMO we could make big cuts and not lose any actual program or service.

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The majority of poor people don't even vote - Obama's election was unusual and not the norm and most certainly they aren't gathering to vote for local elections.
    Of course politicians are looking for the vote here.

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Because the government owes you all of that.
    Not the government. The taxpayers.

    Really...since they are seeking employment would it REALLY be that hard to give them the number of thier social services case manager?

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    Re: Free cell phones are now a civil right

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not the government. The taxpayers.

    Really...since they are seeking employment would it REALLY be that hard to give them the number of thier social services case manager?
    Who said we shouldn't give them their number?

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