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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Actually, you didn't call her out on anything. You couldn't intelligently dispute anything she said. You couldn't prove her wrong. You just attacked her. It appears that you've taken the only path that a partisan hack like yourself knows - ignore the facts, attack the post. And now you want to talk about crying and racism? Sounds like you're the one doing the crying. And the racism - 90% of the time I see somebody pull the race card, it's a rightie. Congrats, at least you're in the majority on something.
    If there were facts or substance, i would of. instead, she contributes nothing.

    She called republicans terrorists, i didn't. She either has to substantiate that, or it's just more partisan drivel, as i have said before. You on the other hand....im really not sure what you are doing.

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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post

    The proper response is to refute the following, not play discredit by labeling and using silly examples.... So which of the following is not true?

    They (the tea partiers) are beating the drums threatening all those receiving entitlements (both those who deserve them like those on Social Security, and those that are abusing the system) with not receiving their income.
    They are threatening the world with a second round of financial meltdown to that they can flex their muscle.
    They are threatening employment.
    They are threatening growth and security.
    They are threatening the already besieged middle class and what savings and retirement they have left.
    ... and for what? A law that serves no purpose at all, and has been an automatic vote since 1979...

    As I have said, I agree that this issue needs the attention of the American people in a "country first" not "party before country" manner. However, now is not the time to do so. There have been countless opportunities to address this in the past. Doing it now and not waiting until after the debt ceiling is raised serves only one purpose... a power play by a minority faction of one party. If they truly had Our best interest in mind and not a power play... the ceiling would have been raised weeks ago.
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    If there were facts or substance, i would of. instead, she contributes nothing.

    She called republicans terrorists, i didn't. She either has to substantiate that, or it's just more partisan drivel, as i have said before. You on the other hand....im really not sure what you are doing.
    From Merriam Webster:
    ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\

    Definition of TERRORISM

    : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
    — ter·ror·ist adjective or noun
    — ter·ror·is·tic adjective

    Are the tea party tactics systematic? Yes
    Are they threatening those listed above with the associated results of not passing the vote that has been passed 80 times with no fuss? Yes
    Are they using it as a means of coercion? Yes

    Substantiated... and then some.

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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    From Merriam Webster:
    ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\

    Definition of TERRORISM

    : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
    — ter·ror·ist adjective or noun
    — ter·ror·is·tic adjective

    Are the tea party tactics systematic? Yes
    Are they threatening those listed above with the associated results of not passing the vote that has been passed 80 times with no fuss? Yes
    Are they using it as a means of coercion? Yes
    My problem has nothing to do with "systematic" or "coercion". Politics is systematic and activism is coercion. My problem is with the bolded word: "Terror". If there were any truth behind that, you wouldn't be on this board, for you do not remember true terror. Go look up some 9/11 videos.
    Substantiated... and then some.
    Thats not substantiation, thats called a "leap of faith", and what blind faith at that. even if republicans were, as you say, "threatening" to do something in what I assume you mean, a "violent manner", This isn't terrorism, this is merely politics(although, you could argue they are one and the same, in which case, part of me would concur, hehe...). If the worst happens and the country defaults, I doubt anyone, much less tea partiers, is going to be revolting and spilling blood all over the place, everything will be just fine, the public will just have to prove it's resilience and make do for a while.

    Otherwise, it's not republicans that is creating fear, it's you. And according to webster, creating fear is terror

    Now that this discussion is over, can we please relax on the rhetoric and hyperbole now? It's as bad as glenn beck, DP does not need any more of this.
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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    My problem has nothing to do with "systematic" or "coercion". Politics is systematic and activism is coercion. My problem is with the bolded word: "Terror". If there were any truth behind that, you wouldn't be on this board, for you do not remember true terror. Go look up some 9/11 videos.
    That's your low bar for terrorism? The most devastating terrorist attack in america's history? So in your mind, anything that doesn't have death and explosions is not terrorism? I'm sorry, my family, friends and those I care about have been threatened unless a small group gets what they want, when they want it. I take that very seriously.

    Thats not substantiation, thats called a "leap of faith", and what blind faith at that. even if republicans were, as you say, "threatening" to do something in what I assume you mean, a "violent manner", This isn't terrorism, this is merely politics(although, you could argue they are one and the same, in which case, part of me would concur, hehe...). If the worst happens and the country defaults, I doubt anyone, much less tea partiers, is going to be revolting and spilling blood all over the place, everything will be just fine, the public will just have to prove it's resilience and make do for a while.

    Otherwise, it's not republicans that is creating fear, it's you. And according to webster, creating fear is terror

    Now that this discussion is over, can we please relax on the rhetoric and hyperbole now? It's as bad as glenn beck, DP does not need any more of this.
    Most of your problem is that you assume too much. That's the only leap of faith I see...

    I said nothing of violence... rather it is based on threats and fear. I also did not say the republican party, but the tea partier minority faction.

    That you have no problem with systematic coercion using threats of global and domestic financial meltdown, is economic terrorism.

    So... you can keep avoiding addressing the list I provided, and projecting your heavily biased assumptions and opinions on me... but a man would address the points put forth....

    Now, suppose you tell me how I'm creating fear, after you man up and address the list from a few posts back.

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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Although those who stood against the Boehner bill may feel that they demonstrated strength in doing so, regardless of whether the legislation is salvaged later today, the Speaker's negotiating leverage has been damaged. He is in a weaker position and that weakness will have consequences for the Republicans. No amount of spin can mask the weakness that was exposed by the events in the House. No amount of spin can prevent that weakness from being exploited.

    As legislation will require a greater number of Democratic votes to pass the House due to the need to write off the hardliners and also compensate for other Republicans who could be lost in seeking to bring Democrats on board, even greater concessions to the Democratic Party position will likely be needed than would otherwise have been the case in any compromise vehicle. More than likely, that will translate into less 10-year budget savings, which continue to be whittled down from the approximately $3.7 trillion figure that had been within reach. The irony will be that some of the very Congressmen who claimed to want far more deficit reduction will, by overreaching, have paved the way for much less deficit reduction than would otherwise have been the case. In turn, that development will increase prospects of a credit rating downgrade for the U.S., which would lead to higher interest costs and perhaps completely wipe out any of the savings in the compromise legislation. Very likely, the net 10-year savings after considering higher interest expenses may well fall short of $1 trillion in a best case scenario.
    So what are you saying? So they stood against his bill and got what they wanted; but you talk as though they may have lost something. Tell where you make the case for this. This whole thread is nothing more than a Boehner bashing thread, and you are sort of participating in it. Is that what you want? Don't expect to be considered a centrist if you do.
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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    That's your low bar for terrorism?
    No, just putting terrorism into "perspective" something that is indeed lacking with any individual who agrees with calling one philosophical side a "terrorist" simply because they won't do what you want.

    You do realize, in some states, terrorists are executed, right? So are you really gonna fill your post with that kind of hyperbole and charge?
    The most devastating terrorist attack in america's history? So in your mind, anything that doesn't have death and explosions is not terrorism? I'm sorry, my family, friends and those I care about have been threatened unless a small group gets what they want, when they want it. I take that very seriously.
    As far as I know, you could be a sock puppet with no friends are family, who makes baseless claims with nothing but anecdotal evidence to back it up. I'm sorry but, cool story, bro. If it's that bad, go press charges, "boehner threatened me and my family cuz he won't raise the debt limit WAAAAAH". I guess you shouldn't have taken a government job, where your pay and livelihood is depended on the health of the US government.

    Most of your problem is that you assume too much. That's the only leap of faith I see...

    I said nothing of violence... rather it is based on threats and fear. I also did not say the republican party, but the tea partier minority faction.
    You just replaced "A" with "B". You are still making a baseless claim. So the only one spreading fear is you, by that definition, YOU are the terrorist.
    That you have no problem with systematic coercion using threats of global and domestic financial meltdown, is economic terrorism.
    anytime one side does what you don't want, or believes something else is good for the nation, is "economics terrorism"? really?
    So... you can keep avoiding addressing the list I provided, and projecting your heavily biased assumptions and opinions on me... but a man would address the points put forth....
    Just like you ASSUME that republicans(tea party faction/whatever u call them now) are threatening you? More like exercising their own will to forward their own beliefs and ideals using the system thats provided....and thats threatening to you? if so, you are a partisan, a political terrorist.
    Now, suppose you tell me how I'm creating fear, after you man up and address the list from a few posts back.
    I am not going to repeat myself.
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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Corripe Cervisi View Post
    As an Australian, can you guys hurry up and sort this out? This situation is not just bad for you, it's bad for the entire world. If you default, there will almost certainly be another global recession. One that your congress DELIBERATELY inflicted. The whole thing is completely ridiculous. I really thought you would have sorted this out weeks/months ago. Why in the hell are you leaving this until there is only 3 days left? Your credit rating is almost certainly going to be downgraded now, which is going to cost you big time. All because your congressmen are too childish to negotiate. Seriously, wtf are you guys doing? The entire lot of you should be marching on the WH demanding a deal by this point. If you guys default (which I'm still hoping you won't, but I might be underestimating just how stupid some of your politicians are) it will screw your country, my country and the world. The whole thing is just so irresponsible, why did you vote for these idiots?!
    Well said.... why is it that our own "leaders" fail to see the obvious is certainly befuddling.

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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Corripe Cervisi View Post
    As an Australian, can you guys hurry up and sort this out? This situation is not just bad for you, it's bad for the entire world. If you default, there will almost certainly be another global recession. One that your congress DELIBERATELY inflicted. The whole thing is completely ridiculous. I really thought you would have sorted this out weeks/months ago. Why in the hell are you leaving this until there is only 3 days left? Your credit rating is almost certainly going to be downgraded now, which is going to cost you big time. All because your congressmen are too childish to negotiate. Seriously, wtf are you guys doing? The entire lot of you should be marching on the WH demanding a deal by this point. If you guys default (which I'm still hoping you won't, but I might be underestimating just how stupid some of your politicians are) it will screw your country, my country and the world. The whole thing is just so irresponsible, why did you vote for these idiots?!
    I happen to think we need another global recession. It would prove a point to the hacks, and it would teach valuable lessons to future leaders, who think spending 15,000,000,000,000 dollars is a good thing.
    I guarentee you, NO politician would ever allow this country to ever be in the position to default again.
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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Pardon me, but counting drawdowns in Iraq and Afghanistan as savings is a gimick. They are going to happen whether Reid passes a bill on it or not.
    Its not a gimmick, it is sensible priorities, cutting our most wasteful spending vs cutting earned benefits of our seniors. I must have missed when the GOP voted to end a war.............any war.................ever!!!
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    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    My problem has nothing to do with "systematic" or "coercion". Politics is systematic and activism is coercion. My problem is with the bolded word: "Terror". If there were any truth behind that, you wouldn't be on this board, for you do not remember true terror. Go look up some 9/11 videos.

    Thats not substantiation, thats called a "leap of faith", and what blind faith at that. even if republicans were, as you say, "threatening" to do something in what I assume you mean, a "violent manner", This isn't terrorism, this is merely politics(although, you could argue they are one and the same, in which case, part of me would concur, hehe...). If the worst happens and the country defaults, I doubt anyone, much less tea partiers, is going to be revolting and spilling blood all over the place, everything will be just fine, the public will just have to prove it's resilience and make do for a while.

    Otherwise, it's not republicans that is creating fear, it's you. And according to webster, creating fear is terror

    Now that this discussion is over, can we please relax on the rhetoric and hyperbole now? It's as bad as glenn beck, DP does not need any more of this.

    Don't know about others, but I have greater fear of a GOP self-induced economic depression than I do a hand full of Arabs.
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