Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 64

Thread: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

  1. #21
    Conservative Independent
    DarkWizard12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Tyler TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,562

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Obama should consider the prospect of using the 14th Amendment to get around the debt ceiling!

    It would be justified and possibly political malpractice if he does not use it. Congress has abdicated its constitutional responsibility before the drop dead date that will sink the economy.

    The republicans having been bought by a few ... and are holding the American economy and our senior citizens hostage. They are not conservatives ... they always voted for the debt ceiling to be raised for unfunded corporate wars, wind falls for big Pharma, tax breaks for the wealthiest ... they are using social security and medicare as hostage to give a blank check to corporate intersts of a few that do not benefit American interests.

    Hopefully Obama will use his presidential authority stop this train if an agreement is not reached.

    Last week I moved a significant portion of my 401k into cash ... will buy back when it at bottom if I think it will recover.

    I am just an upper middle class professional cerebral schmuck ... I am trying to maintain financial security while working 50+ hours providing professional healthcare and avoid the republican jihadist grandstanding that will tank us fast.

    What is the difference ... a terrorist hi jacking a plane hoping for 82 virgins or a terrorist holding an economy hostage hoping to be use the right hand of "God" to appease the corporations he legislates so a few become rich and the "dim lack of logic bible bangers voting base" he manipulates in order to support his agenda.



    Obama is a constitutional lawyer. He has acquiesced and reached across the aisle far too often at the expense of our country ... from corporate personhood to public option in the HCR to republican ethical violations.
    you're left-wing hyperbole and rhetoric will quickly get your post eaten and spewed back out by many of the more experianced members here.

  2. #22
    Pragmatic Idealist
    upsideguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Rocky Mtn. High
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,115

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That's because employment is at its lowest level in decades. Millions out of work = much less tax revenue.
    True, so why do we not have an emphasis on job creation? Cutting expenditures will just exasperate the situation.

  3. #23
    Pragmatic Idealist
    upsideguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Rocky Mtn. High
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,115

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    you're left-wing hyperbole and rhetoric will quickly get your post eaten and spewed back out by many of the more experianced members here.
    ...except that the man speaks the truth.... of course, the truth gets eaten, but its hard to swallow for some, so it gets spewed back by many of the more ignorant members here in the form of meaningless hot rhetoric...

  4. #24
    Conservative Independent
    DarkWizard12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Tyler TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,562

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...except that the man speaks the truth.... of course, the truth gets eaten, but its hard to swallow for some, so it gets spewed back by many of the more ignorant members here in the form of meaningless hot rhetoric...
    except, the "woman" in question, speaks nonsense and offers no real content or dialogue of value. "The republicans are terrorists" mantra gets old after a while...
    Last edited by DarkWizard12; 07-29-11 at 10:41 PM.

  5. #25
    Educator Sgt Meowenstein's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Seen
    07-22-17 @ 06:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    620

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    you're left-wing hyperbole and rhetoric will quickly get your post eaten and spewed back out by many of the more experianced members here.
    Some more experienced posters might be able to give a reasonable response, but it certainly isn't going to be the likes of you. As one can tell from your weightless response, you have nothing of any merit to contribute.


  6. #26
    Conservative Independent
    DarkWizard12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Tyler TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,562

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Some more experienced posters might be able to give a reasonable response, but it certainly isn't going to be the likes of you. As one can tell from your weightless response, you have nothing of any merit to contribute.
    a fellow liberal called out on her false rhetoric? You have one of three options 1. cry me a river 2. repeat the slogans "republicans are racist/terrorists/sexist/any-ists u want to add", or 3. do both.

  7. #27
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    10-10-15 @ 01:31 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,069
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    There are larger truths here that are being ignored by... well, everyone in the country. It's theater, no matter what side of the aisle you're sitting on.

    ACT I

    The debt ceiling... gawd this is a freaking joke, isn't it? Currently it's viewed as a debt ceiling beyond which we will not borrow any more money.... Yet we will consistently overspend those limits, and just as consistently raise those limits. WHAT IS THE POINT OF WASTING TIME VOTING ON THIS WHEN IT HAS NO PURPOSE TO BEGIN WITH? If it does not serve as an impedance to spending, or even a guideline, it serves no useful purpose. Abolish it or change it.

    This was a law enacted in 1917 to perform an end run around budget restrictions that could hamper our efforts in the Great War, and to allow for more "flexible" borrowing by congress. It was then a justification for a fundamental change in how congress borrowed, and is now just a formality. It was replaced by laws passed in 1939 and 1941, and finally aggregated into a single piece of legislation.


    ACT II

    Congress, by it's own rules, began automatically raising the ceiling when passing a new budget in 1979, no vote required, simply the passage of a new budget. Any past purpose it might have had (and it had none) died that day. It should have been abolished or repealed. Of course, getting rid of it would remove the extremely thin veil of responsibility our public servants project by admitting they really don't care how much they spend, or these days, how fast. However, it was at this time, and every time after 1979 that we'd missed the opportunity to have the debate that is happening now, during such highly charged and dangerous situations, created by the very people who are asking us to trust them, they can fix this.

    ACT III

    The Tea Party - On the one hand, it's a debate that has been long coming, and the TP should be credited for making all of us take a look at something that has not served the people well outside of two world wars, and which we have been completely ignorant of until now. But if you all miss the larger, more important underlying issues, what will have been the point?

    On the other, this minority movement (20%) of the flailing and faltering republican party, is holding America hostage. They have used this very crucial time, not just to make a point, but to hold hostage what remains of personal wealth among the average citizen, and further threatening to wreak havoc on the entire world if we default on something that should have been discussed during the last budget, and the one before that, and the one... you get the idea. The rest of the republican party and the rest of the nation should be exerting considerable pressure on them to back the hell down and take up this debate as part of the election platform, and we'll see what merit it has.

    ACT IV

    Default - Not gonna happen. If it did, we would deserve more scorn heaped on us as a people by the citizens of the world than we experienced with Bush. If we default, we affect the world economy, if we don't, but still see a downgrading in our securities rating, that only largely affects us. And we deserve it.

    With an administration so heavily invested in Wall St appointees, there is little chance that a default is in the realm of possibilities... unless it benefits them to do so. If a default happens, I would be very skeptical as to the reasons why.

    We can all spend our lives pointing fingers at this political party or that, to this law maker or that, all while collectively scratching our heads (or asses) wondering how we got here (more likely not wondering at all, see scratching ass). The fault with all of this lies with us, the People. We are the rulers of this country. We have failed to demand accountability of our elected public servants. We have allowed ourselves to be divided from our first responsibility, remain skeptical and vigilant of our government, and when it stops working for the People, change it.

    ACT V

    The drama over the 14th Amendment. Using the constitution, requiring some manner of interpretation where specifics are absent, is always dangerous when setting precedent. I advise against it, and it is unnecessary. The President can accomplish the same thing using an Executive Order to raise the debt ceiling to avoid crisis and returning the power to congress when and if they get their act together.

    Executive Orders are generally used "as the authorization allowing for their issuance to be justified as part of the President's sworn duties,[1] the intent being to help direct officers of the US Executive carry out their delegated duties as well as the normal operations of the Federal Government"

    The debt ceiling would certainly fall within this description without having to mess about with the constitution and setting dangerous precedents.

  8. #28
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    10-10-15 @ 01:31 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,069
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    except, the "woman" in question, speaks nonsense and offers no real content or dialogue of value. "The republicans are terrorists" mantra gets old after a while...
    Fact: This is being held up as a Tea Party power play. It's timing is not in the best interest of this country and that alone makes it a political, not an accountable issue. Further more, they are beating the drums threatening all those receiving entitlements (both those who deserve them like those on Social Security, and those that are abusing the system) with not receiving their income. They are threatening the world with a second round of financial meltdown to that they can flex their muscle. They are threatening employment. They are threatening growth and security. They are threatening the already besieged middle class and what savings and retirement they have left.... and for what? A law that serves no purpose at all, and has been an automatic vote since 1979...

    That is, in fact... political terrorism against the citizens of this country.

    Not saying that it's all republicans... just one faction wishing to make a name for itself at our expense. Though I have to say Republicans in general seem to be bending over for the Tea Partiers.

    So yes... she did have a point, and a correct one.

    And she seems very passionate about it.
    Last edited by Occam's Razor; 07-29-11 at 11:34 PM.

  9. #29
    Conservative Independent
    DarkWizard12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Tyler TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,562

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Fact: This is being held up as a Tea Party power play. It's timing is not in the best interest of this country and that alone makes it a political, not an accountable issue. Further more, they are beating the drums threatening all those receiving entitlements (both those who deserve them like those on Social Security, and those that are abusing the system) with not receiving their income. They are threatening the world with a second round of financial meltdown to that they can flex their muscle. They are threatening employment. They are threatening growth and security. They are threatening the already besieged middle class and what savings and retirement they have left.... and for what? A law that serves no purpose at all, and has been an automatic vote since 1979...

    That is, in fact... political terrorism against the citizens of this country.

    Not saying that it's all republicans... just one faction wishing to make a name for itself at our expense. Though I have to say Republicans in general seem to be bending over for the Tea Partiers.

    So yes... she did have a point, and a correct one.

    And she seems very passionate about it.
    Fact? I beg to differ, more like opinion. I can do the same thing to FACT: Republicans are defending the interests of the people and the only thing being hostage is Obama's and the democrat's political delusion of some false "utopia" where we can spend money and debt on things we can't afford.

    btw FACT: Newsmax/InsiderAdvantage Poll: Voters Don't Want Debt Ceiling Hike Voters do not want the debt ceiling raised.

    And look at that, a post with less sentences and more substance than either of you. Who is calling who a terrorist now? Perhaps both of you will learn to cool it with the hyperbole. We know you are passionate, but you don't need to make up BS.
    Last edited by DarkWizard12; 07-30-11 at 12:41 AM.

  10. #30
    Si vis pacem, para bellum
    Μολὼν λαβέ's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    09-29-17 @ 11:22 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    6,914

    Re: Breaking: John Boehner Yanks Debt Ceiling Bill, House Vote Postponed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    True, so why do we not have an emphasis on job creation? Cutting expenditures will just exasperate the situation.
    Do you mean exacerbate? If so, in other words you're saying that government spending creates job growth opportunities? The government has spent the US into the greatest debt that has ever been accumulated. Remember Obama's stimulus package? If that's the case then why is unemployment at over 9% in the USA?
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Generalizations are stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •