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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It wouldn't have came to this had GWB not taken his eye off the prize. We had a change to take out OBL in the hills of Tora Bora long ago but looked the other way.
    I can understand this arguement and I realize that there are errors made in all wars. We could have taken out OBL and Saddam if that alone had been the goal.

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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Wikileaks is stating the perfectly obvious... but at least now there is undeniable proof.

    Why else would we be meddling with such backward governments? This is ALL about our energy economy.
    I'm sure it would be front page if Bush was still president. That it's not is why we have so many problems.

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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Oil, oil and more oil. That's what it always seems to come down to. I don't think even I can support this measure any longer even if placed under the heading of "unfair business practises at the hands of Muammar Gaddafi strong-arming oil companies of the world," even if the coup...er, um...uprising was orchestrated by Gaddafi's own people.


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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It wouldn't have came to this had GWB not taken his eye off the prize. We had a change to take out OBL in the hills of Tora Bora long ago but looked the other way.
    True, the snipe hunt in Iraq was a needless diverion, and it did allow things to deteriorate. Howwever, I never saw any signs of us getting inn and getting out. You'd have to have a mission designed that way for that to have any chance of happening.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    I don't know what to say, other than not surprising..

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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I seem to recall socialist and communist countries doing the exact same thing. Once again, if it's wrong, it's wrong no matter who does it.
    That's just Capitalist lies sir.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Oil, oil and more oil. That's what it always seems to come down to. I don't think even I can support this measure any longer even if placed under the heading of "unfair business practises at the hands of Muammar Gaddafi strong-arming oil companies of the world," even if the coup...er, um...uprising was orchestrated by Gaddafi's own people.
    Read the article more closely. This was not about oil. Saudi Arabia nationalized its oil industry long ago and yet the United States still happily backs that government in suppressing its people's liberties.

    Controlling Libya's oil is just a way to control Libya. Consider the revelations Wikileaks provided concerning Shell's shadow government in Nigeria. This is no different from how it was with the United Fruit Company in Central America. It is not that the U.S. desires the resource so it overthrows the government, but that the United States wants to have control of the resource, and thus all benefits and influence that come with such control.

    With countries like Saudi Arabia we have no need for control of the oil resources because we have instituted a far more effective system of control. However, that same method cannot be used in Libya where most of its business and defense needs are met by the East. It is indeed Gaddafhi's alignment with Russia and China that made him a target.
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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Honestly, when has a country ever engaged in foreign policy that its government did not deem to be in its own self-interest?
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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Honestly, when has a country ever engaged in foreign policy that its government did not deem to be in its own self-interest?
    Never... it's almost incoherent to think otherwise IMO.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: WikiLeaks documents shed light on US-backed intervention in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Never... it's almost incoherent to think otherwise IMO.
    However, what they think, doesn't equal that it was in their best interest. Some use rather controted logic to make the argument.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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