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    "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    I found this on another forum and thought I'd share the madness with you all.

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    Re: "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    I found this on another forum and thought I'd share the madness with you all.

    'Super Congress': Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body
    Well, Obama did say in his campaign that he wanted to fundamentally change America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, Obama did say in his campaign that he wanted to fundamentally change America.
    You can't blame Obama alone for this. This just shows how messed up both parties are.

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    "Reid just left Capitol. Asked if deal could be reached before Asian markets open Reid says "talk to the Republicans. We did our best."" <--- tweet posted by Jill Jackson, CBS News.

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    Re: "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    This "Super Congress," composed of members of both chambers and both parties, isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but would be granted extraordinary new powers. Under a plan put forth by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his counterpart Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), legislation to lift the debt ceiling would be accompanied by the creation of a 12-member panel made up of 12 lawmakers -- six from each chamber and six from each party.

    Legislation approved by the Super Congress -- which some on Capitol Hill are calling the "super committee" -- would then be fast-tracked through both chambers, where it couldn't be amended by simple, regular lawmakers, who'd have the ability only to cast an up or down vote. With the weight of both leaderships behind it, a product originated by the Super Congress would have a strong chance of moving through the little Congress and quickly becoming law. A Super Congress would be less accountable than the system that exists today, and would find it easier to strip the public of popular benefits. Negotiators are currently considering cutting the mortgage deduction and tax credits for retirement savings, for instance, extremely popular policies that would be difficult to slice up using the traditional legislative process.
    'Super Congress': Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    The bold part should make this a dead idea. But sadly, I have a feeling lot sof people would embrace this because they just don't get the danger involved.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    This cannot be allowed to happen. I don't see any way possible that it is either legal or constitutional.

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    Re: "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "Reid just left Capitol. Asked if deal could be reached before Asian markets open Reid says "talk to the Republicans. We did our best."" <--- tweet posted by Jill Jackson, CBS News.
    Just like he did passing a budget.

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    Re: "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    I guess I'll be the contrarian yet again: I kinda like the idea, at least in principle. Our Congress has become extremely dysfunctional so that even basic necessities like raising the debt ceiling become epic power struggles with the real possibility that Congress could fail to raise it. "Fast tracking" is a good way to help reform that process. Presumably the recommendations of the Super Congress would be at least somewhat representative of Congress as a whole, since they would be well aware that they had to get the support of their colleagues for any changes they were making.

    As for the constitutionality/legality...there is no reason this would be unconstitutional. All laws would still have to be voted on by the entire House and the entire Senate...they just wouldn't get a chance to add amendments and continue haggling long after the bill had been written by the "Super Congress." Instead, it would be subject to an up or down vote. Allowing amendments to bills are not a constitutionally-mandated feature of our Congress, nor are they even federal laws. They're just the parliamentary rules by which our Congress has agreed to operate, and can be changed at any time.

    As for whether or not I'd ultimately support it, I guess it boils down to the specifics of the proposal, including how its members are chosen. Does the leadership just pick whoever they want, is it the leadership itself, is it based on seniority, is it random, etc.
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    Re: "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I guess I'll be the contrarian yet again: I kinda like the idea, at least in principle. Our Congress has become extremely dysfunctional so that even basic necessities like raising the debt ceiling become epic power struggles with the real possibility that Congress could fail to raise it. "Fast tracking" is a good way to help reform that process. Presumably the recommendations of the Super Congress would be at least somewhat representative of Congress as a whole, since they would be well aware that they had to get the support of their colleagues for any changes they were making.

    As for the constitutionality/legality...there is no reason this would be unconstitutional. All laws would still have to be voted on by the entire House and the entire Senate...they just wouldn't get a chance to add amendments and continue haggling long after the bill had been written by the "Super Congress." Instead, it would be subject to an up or down vote. Allowing amendments to bills are not a constitutionally-mandated feature of our Congress, nor are they even federal laws. They're just the parliamentary rules by which our Congress has agreed to operate, and can be changed at any time.

    As for whether or not I'd ultimately support it, I guess it boils down to the specifics of the proposal, including how its members are chosen. Does the leadership just pick whoever they want, is it the leadership itself, is it based on seniority, is it random, etc.
    Which would make adding a second legislative branch an even bigger waste of time.

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    Re: "Super Congress" Debt Ceiling Negotiators Aim To Create New Legislative Body

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which would make adding a second legislative branch an even bigger waste of time.
    I dunno, it's probably worth a try. I suspect that the result would be some agreements that had the broad contours of what Congress could support...but without the grandstanding and "poison pill" amendments that bills from the at-large Congress would be subject to. And a smaller group would hopefully be more congenial and more intelligent than Congress as a whole. The idea behind a "Gang of Six" type of arrangement makes a lot of sense...the problem is that only the Senate was represented and their proposal was DOA in the House. Having a "Super Congress" would solve that problem.
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