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[Ohio]- SECRETARY OF STATE HUSTED CERTIFIES SIGNATURES FOR REFERENDUM ON SENATE BILL

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TurtleDude said:
that is as silly as saying a bank robber is truly a taxpayer if he takes money he didn't own and uses it to pay taxes. what he is doing is paying taxes with other peoples' money, they are the taxpayers not him
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And guess what law enforcement (paid for by tax dollars) will catch him/her send him her to court (paid for by tax dollars) and if convicted imprison (paid for by tax dollars) him/her.

To bad your bank robber here can not use your costco approach to taxation.
 
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winston53660 said:
And guess what law enforcement (paid for by tax dollars) will catch him/her send him her to court (paid for by tax dollars) and if convicted imprison (paid for by tax dollars) him/her.

To bad your bank robber here can not use your costco approach to taxation.
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ah the costco nonsense is spreading. however I never said those who are public servants are not tax payers

wrong target
 
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TurtleDude said:
ah the costco nonsense is spreading. however I never said those who are public servants are not tax payers

wrong target
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Oh so you are not comparing them to bank robbers?

like you just did.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is as silly as saying a bank robber is truly a taxpayer if he takes money he didn't own and uses it to pay taxes. what he is doing is paying taxes with other peoples' money, they are the taxpayers not him
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You are confusing apples with cinderblocks. A person given money because the duly elected government of the American people has determined it to be a valid and good expense would never ever be compared to a criminal engaged in illegal activity. That is grossly unfair and an attack upon the character of law abiding Americans who are simply getting some needed help which their fellow Americans provide.
 
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LOL..we keep going down this path and our 50 states can have the same conversation...
 
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winston53660 said:
Oh so you are not comparing them to bank robbers?

like you just did.
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confused I see

I was talking about those who are on the dole
 
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haymarket said:
You are confusing apples with cinderblocks. A person given money because the duly elected government of the American people has determined it to be a valid and good expense would never ever be compared to a criminal engaged in illegal activity. That is grossly unfair and an attack upon the character of law abiding Americans who are simply getting some needed help which their fellow Americans provide.
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more like politicians buying votes with handouts.
 
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TurtleDude said:
more like politicians buying votes with handouts.
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Which specific politicians are buying which specific votes with which specific handouts?
 
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TurtleDude said:
confused I see

I was talking about those who are on the dole
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Like government employees right?


After all the thread is about gov. employees.
 
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winston53660 said:
Yeah I doubt not a one of them ever bought a six pack of beer or anything else that has a tax on it for that matter.
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Those sales taxes--not income taxes--were paid with tax money, which created zero new revenue. It amounts to nothing more than taking money from one government account and putting it into another, which doesn't accomplish a damn thing.

Imagine this: you have $10,000. You deposit it into one account. Then, you take out $5,000 and use it to open a new account at another bank. What's the end result? You still only have $10,000.
 
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haymarket said:
from Winston




the reply


State of Ohio employees working for a wage do NOT PAY TAXES?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Where do you get stuff like this?????
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Let me put it another way: State of Ohio employees don't create new tax revenue. Feel better?
 
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winston53660 said:
Like government employees right?


After all the thread is about gov. employees.
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Oh I see, everyone always sticks exactly to the thread title
 
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apdst said:
Let me put it another way: State of Ohio employees don't create new tax revenue. Feel better?
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that is true the some do provide services that facilitate the creation of more tax revenue. Most do not though. However, without law enforcement officials, our justice system I doubt there would be as much successful business.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Oh I see, everyone always sticks exactly to the thread title
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No, but from someone who often refers to people as parasites I would not be surprised if you consider government employees to be on the dole.

You have already established that you do consider most less equal than yourself.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is true the some do provide services that facilitate the creation of more tax revenue. Most do not though. However, without law enforcement officials, our justice system I doubt there would be as much successful business.
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State employees don't create new revenue, by paying taxes.
 
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apdst said:
Those sales taxes--not income taxes--were paid with tax money, which created zero new revenue. It amounts to nothing more than taking money from one government account and putting it into another, which doesn't accomplish a damn thing.

Imagine this: you have $10,000. You deposit it into one account. Then, you take out $5,000 and use it to open a new account at another bank. What's the end result? You still only have $10,000.
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you are confusing apples with cinderblocks and then trying to convince us that the fault is in the recipe that we broke our teeth on that rock hard grey pie filling.

A person who works - be it for a private company or a government department - has exchanged their labor for money. That is to be respected and valued. They came by their money honestly and gave honest value in return for it.
 
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haymarket said:
you are confusing apples with cinderblocks and then trying to convince us that the fault is in the recipe that we broke our teeth on that rock hard grey pie filling.

A person who works - be it for a private company or a government department - has exchanged their labor for money. That is to be respected and valued. They came by their money honestly and gave honest value in return for it.
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I never said otherwise.
 
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apdst said:
State employees don't create new revenue, by paying taxes.
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And if that is right - so what?

What exactly do you think state employees do with their paychecks? Do you not understand they their is a standard multiplier effect for money then spent in other businesses which go into other employees pockets when then in turn spend their paychecks and the whole thing multiplies? You do understand that don't you?
 
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haymarket said:
And if that is right - so what?

What exactly do you think state employees do with their paychecks? Do you not understand they their is a standard multiplier effect for money then spent in other businesses which go into other employees pockets when then in turn spend their paychecks and the whole thing multiplies? You do understand that don't you?
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I think that since you feed from the trough, as well, you can't understand/won't admit that recycling government money doesn't create new tax revenue.

Picture this: I own a business. I charge my employees 15% of their payroll to work for me. I turn around and use that 15% for my payroll account. Am I creating new revenue for my business?
 
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TurtleDude said:
those who pay taxes with money given to them by the government don't rate as such with me
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Nobody "gives" them anything, they earned their salary.
 
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apdst said:
I think that since you feed from the trough, as well, you can't understand/won't admit that recycling government money doesn't create new tax revenue.

Picture this: I own a business. I charge my employees 15% of their payroll to work for me. I turn around and use that 15% for my payroll account. Am I creating new revenue for my business?
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Those two things do not prove your point about the issue at hand.

You may want to read this example about how money multiplies - REGARDLESS of its source - and the good it can do in the economy

How the U.S. Economy works, Pumphandle Economics

Pumphandle Economics...

It is a slow day in the small California town of Pumphandle and the streets are deserted. Times are tough; everybody is in debt and living on credit. A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op. The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
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There is a valuable lesson in that little tale.
 
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TurtleDude said:
confused I see

I was talking about those who are on the dole
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You mean like Bank of America, Citigroup, General Electric, and other corporations? OK, I agree with you. :mrgreen:
 
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danarhea said:
You mean like Bank of America, Citigroup, General Electric, and other corporations? OK, I agree with you. :mrgreen:
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LOL Citigroup is trying to shove a thank(FK)you credit application on me several days a week for the six months. One thing though after the free interest rates it gets jacked up to Gods knows what perhaps 29.0 percent...LMAO, this outfit can go F it's self.
 
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winston53660 said:
No, but from someone who often refers to people as parasites I would not be surprised if you consider government employees to be on the dole.

You have already established that you do consider most less equal than yourself.
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another fail
 
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danarhea said:
You mean like Bank of America, Citigroup, General Electric, and other corporations? OK, I agree with you. :mrgreen:
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more populist nonsense. GE generates lots of wealth for lots of people and lots of taxes for the government-from the income taxes dividend owners pay to payroll taxes
 
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