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Anders Behring Breivik is a Illuminati-Freemason

Ray Garton said:
Saying Freemasonry has nothing to do with Christianity is like saying the Moose Lodge or the Rotary Club has nothing to do with Christianity. Of course it doesn't -- it's not a religion! Most Freemasons are Christians, but one has little to do with the other -- at least if you dwell in reality and don't embrace the idiotic claims about the Freemasons being a front for the Illuminati, which is either made up of Satanists or reptilian aliens, depending on which nutjob you listen to. Christians and conservatives don't approve of violence? Who was behind the Inquisition and the Crusades and witch burnings? Freemasons? Shriners? The Friars Club? Who dragged America to war in the middle east on the basis of lies? Liberals? Independents? In order to believe that Christians and conservatives don't approve of violence, you have to be completely untethered from reality.
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Good first post. Welcome.

The Friars Club
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TurtleDude said:
feel free to move there. and the richest europeans spend a lot of time here. I don't know any millionaires who spend a lot of time in say Estonia, or Bulgaria or Norway.

american commies and other far left loons hate America because its not communist or far left loony
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Are you kidding... Norway is beautiful, especially the fjords and you can take a lot of nice cruises through them.
 
SheWolf said:
Are there any women in your lodge? I always heard women can't join, but the pre regs didn't mention you had to be a man...
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No, women can't be Masons, nor can Communists.
 
SheWolf said:
Are you kidding... Norway is beautiful, especially the fjords and you can take a lot of nice cruises through them.
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a great place to visit..............
 
SheWolf said:
My grandpa was a Freemason , and I don't believe it's a religion itself. He could be both a Freemason and a fundamental Christian.
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The Freemasons are not a religion, but a fraternity. Mason's come in all different shapes, sizes and religions. The Mason's do not endorse any particular religion over another, (but do require initiates to state that they are not atheist.)

Mason's typically do not talk about religion and politics in their lodges as that type of conversation typically leads to discord and hard feelings. "Harmony and strength are the support of all institutions, more especially of ours."

If this goofball was a raised Master Mason, I can assure you he isn't one any longer. I am confident he would be denounced in the strongest of terms. Probably half the cops, prison guards, lawyers and judges that will deal with him from here on out, are Freemason's. He done went and blemished the wrong fraternity. Never piss off a Mason. He is sooooo screwed now.

Many of the founding father's were Freemason's. Too many patriots to count are Freemason's.
 
apdst said:
No, women can't be Masons, nor can Communists.
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Not totally accurate. True, women cannot become Freemason's unless it is some clandestine branch of masonry not recognized by the Grand Lodge. And it's true that in America, being a commie won't score you any points with most mason's, but neither will it disqualify you from becomming a mason. They do not ask if you are communist or not in the investigative interview.

Only two things will get you disqualified from entering the fraternity from the git-go. 1: Proclaiming atheism. 2: Having a felony on your record.
 
I'm curious -- is it stated anywhere in Freemasonry why atheists are prohibited?
 
Ray Garton said:
I'm curious -- is it stated anywhere in Freemasonry why atheists are prohibited?
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The general thinking is that if a man can declare without reservation there is no diety, or God, or Supreme Being, or <fill in your favorite god-noun here> then this man already knows everything there is to know. What can someone like this be taught? Such immediate signs of vanity and arrogances should not be ignored in selecting possible brothers. Masons go for quality over quanity.

Not sure what the exact verbage is or where in the charter it is mentioned. Interesting question though.

I know that during the initial interviews, the entering apprentice is asked if they believe in a supreme being and they just let it go at that. They are not asked "which" supreme being or what religion or denomination they believe in. It's nobody's business. I have seen Masons wearing various jewelry with crosses to pentagrams, catholic saints, Wiccan symbols, hierogliphics (sp?) among many other symbols. I can't say it reflected their spiritual beliefs or not because I never asked. None of my business. You can believe in the Flying Speghetti Monster, I suppose. As long as you believe in something. They never ask. It's none of their business. That is for the churches to hash out. That is between a man and his preferred diety.

In lodge, they always open with the "blessing of diety." The "diety" is referred as The Great Architech of the Universe. It is a generic name to mean "whatever diety you personally believe in" so as to be neither conclusive or inconclusive to any particular belief.

What political persuasion a man follows is never questioned as politics are never discussed and are considered taboo conversation within the lodge. Let politician's be politicians and preachers be preachers. That's their thing. Not ours.

Masons are just a bunch of regular guys who meet every so often, have a good time, and go out and collectively do something good for society. Plus, we are obligated to conduct ourselves the best we know how. You have to be a Master Mason before you become a Shriner. Masons and Shriners give millions of dollars a day to help children of all walks of life. They may show up one Saturday morning to build a ramp for your wheelchair bound granny. It's all about doing good.

Like any organization, it can be infiltrated by cowens and eavesdroppers I suppose. But it is fun reading all the rediculous conspiracy theories from the tin hat people. We do get a kick out of it.
 
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Captain America said:
The general thinking is that if a man can declare without reservation there is no diety, or God, or Supreme Being, or <fill in your favorite god-noun here> then this man already knows everything there is to know. What can someone like this be taught? Such immediate signs of vanity and arrogances should not be ignored in selecting possible brothers. Masons go for quality over quanity.

Not sure what the exact verbage is or where in the charter it is mentioned. Interesting question though.

I know that during the initial interviews, the entering apprentice is asked if they believe in a supreme being and they just let it go at that. They are not asked "which" supreme being or what religion or denomination they believe in. It's nobody's business. I have seen Masons wearing various jewelry with crosses to pentagrams, catholic saints, Wiccan symbols, hierogliphics (sp?) among many other symbols. I can't say it reflected their spiritual beliefs or not because I never asked. None of my business. You can believe in the Flying Speghetti Monster, I suppose. As long as you believe in something. They never ask. It's none of their business. That is for the churches to hash out. That is between a man and his preferred diety.

In lodge, they always open with the "blessing of diety." The "diety" is referred as The Great Architech of the Universe. It is a generic name to mean "whatever diety you personally believe in" so as to be neither conclusive or inconclusive to any particular belief.

What political persuasion a man follows is never questioned as politics are never discussed and are considered taboo conversation within the lodge. Let politician's be politicians and preachers be preachers. That's their thing. Not ours.

Masons are just a bunch of regular guys who meet every so often, have a good time, and go out and collectively do something good for society. Plus, we are obligated to conduct ourselves the best we know how. You have to be a Master Mason before you become a Shriner. Masons and Shriners give millions of dollars a day to help children of all walks of life. They may show up one Saturday morning to build a ramp for your wheelchair bound granny. It's all about doing good.

Like any organization, it can be infiltrated by cowens and eavesdroppers I suppose. But it is fun reading all the rediculous conspiracy theories from the tin hat people. We do get a kick out of it.
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So the ultimate secret goal of masonry is to wear a funny hat while driving a small car in parades?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So the ultimate secret goal of masonry is to wear a funny hat while driving a small car in parades?
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Well, that and you know, to take over the planets not be a dick to people and to encourage others to not be a dick to people. And to take it one step further and help people with your time here on this planet and encourage others to help people while we're here.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So the ultimate secret goal of masonry is to wear a funny hat while driving a small car in parades?
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Can you possibly comprehend how much charity money the Shriners raise? Ever hear of the Shriner's Hospital? I'm thinking..uh, no!

Why would a flaming Liberal bad mouth the Shriners?
 
apdst said:
The, "G", in the Masonic symbol stands for, "God".
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Close, but no cigar. American Freemasonry, does, however, also use the letter G to symbolize God, but it does not dictate which "God." Mostly, more than anything, the G stands for Geometry. LOL!

Internationally, the G stands for Geometry. Geometry is the foundation of architecture and the root of the mathematics, and is therefore the basis for operative Masonry as well as speculative Masonry.

In addition to Geometry, American Freemasonry also uses the G to signify God, as although Freemasonry is not a religion, its members are religious, and the fraternity encourages its members to remember their creator.

Some other countries do not assign G to God, as the word for God in many other languages doesn't start with a G. Most Masonic references to G have to do with Geometry.

Strike three.

Study to show thyself approved.

And have an awesome day too!
 
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apdst said:
Can you possibly comprehend how much charity money the Shriners raise? Ever hear of the Shriner's Hospital? I'm thinking..uh, no!

Why would a flaming Liberal bad mouth the Shriners?
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Why would ANYONE bad mouth Mason's OR Shriner's? Sour grapes perhaps? Not just anyone can become a Mason these days. I think it's more due to fear of the unknown. I have heard what the hater's believe and I know it first hand to be poppycock.

If I KNOW a man to be a Mason, I wouldn't not hesitate to hand him my wallet and not even ask why. Mason's, by anyone's standards, (cowens and eavesdroppers notwithstanding) stand head and shoulder's above the average layman within our population both in intelligence and benevolency. Not true in every case, of course, but generally speaking, that has been my lifelong observation of the Mason's I know.
 
liblady said:
it doesn't seem that you know much about masons after all.
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In all fairness, on one of her declarations, she was 1/2 right. Kinda. Oh yes, she was also right about women not being allowed in the fraternity (much like guys aren't allowed in sorieties) so that makes 2. But, if I remember correctly, she is a woman and how would she know what actually goes on within the workings of a lodge? I realize some folks do not feel the need to be accurate in their posts. It is all to evident.

But worry not, you guys have me to set you straight. :mrgreen:

PS... I stand corrected. I see the little erection sign in apdst's profile window. He's a HE. My bad. Sorry apdst. But if you want to actually know more about Masonry before you continue talking about what you don't know, and you have no felonies, and you are not an atheist, I encourage you to ask a local Mason for some light on the subject. It's not really this "secret" thing people make it out to be, other than our modes of recognition, and even that can be looked up online. 2B1ask1.
 
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Thanks for the response, Captain America. The reason is completely illogical, of course, but now I know what it is.
 
Captain America said:
Close, but no cigar. American Freemasonry, does, however, also use the letter G to symbolize God, but it does not dictate which "God." Mostly, more than anything, the G stands for Geometry. LOL!

Internationally, the G stands for Geometry. Geometry is the foundation of architecture and the root of the mathematics, and is therefore the basis for operative Masonry as well as speculative Masonry.

In addition to Geometry, American Freemasonry also uses the G to signify God, as although Freemasonry is not a religion, its members are religious, and the fraternity encourages its members to remember their creator.

Some other countries do not assign G to God, as the word for God in many other languages doesn't start with a G. Most Masonic references to G have to do with Geometry.

Strike three.

Study to show thyself approved.

And have an awesome day too!
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Geometry as well, yes.

So, you're a Mason?
 
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Captain America said:
In all fairness, on one of her declarations, she was 1/2 right. Kinda. Oh yes, she was also right about women not being allowed in the fraternity (much like guys aren't allowed in sorieties) so that makes 2. But, if I remember correctly, she is a woman and how would she know what actually goes on within the workings of a lodge? I realize some folks do not feel the need to be accurate in their posts. It is all to evident.

But worry not, you guys have me to set you straight. :mrgreen:

PS... I stand corrected. I see the little erection sign in apdst's profile window. He's a HE. My bad. Sorry apdst. But if you want to actually know more about Masonry before you continue talking about what you don't know, and you have no felonies, and you are not an atheist, I encourage you to ask a local Mason for some light on the subject. It's not really this "secret" thing people make it out to be, other than our modes of recognition, and even that can be looked up online. 2B1ask1.
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I've already ridden the goat, brother.
 
apdst said:
Can you possibly comprehend how much charity money the Shriners raise? Ever hear of the Shriner's Hospital? I'm thinking..uh, no!

Why would a flaming Liberal bad mouth the Shriners?
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Where did I bad mouth the masons or the shriners?

Please recall the part about the ultimate secret goal

That the shriners wear hats and drive small cars in parades to raise money is not much of a secret, and yes the do good work. I was making fun of morons who believe the masons are some secret organization with plans on world domination
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Where did I bad mouth the masons or the shriners?

Please recall the part about the ultimate secret goal

That the shriners wear hats and drive small cars in parades to raise money is not much of a secret, and yes the do good work. I was making fun of morons who believe the masons are some secret organization with plans on world domination
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Obviously you missed the sarcasm in that post.
 
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