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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

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    Uh huh. And is the correct way to do that to invade the **** out of their country with tanks and bombers and ****?
    The Right thinks so,but they fail to realize they are just creating more terrorists. Terrorism is a reaction to imperialism, religion is just a way to motivate the masses and justify it.

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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    If I bash you over the head with a baseball bat and you die, are you any less dead than if I fire 500 rounds from a .50 caliber machine gun? If I hit your country with 50 nuclear missiles, is it any less obliterated than if I hit it with 1000 nuclear missiles? Think about it.
    Actually all it takes apparently to cause a nuclear winter strong enough to wipe out virtually all life on the planet is something like 50 to 75 large megaton warheads in the atmosphere. We don't even need to hit them to wipe them out.
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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually some of his points are valid. Why do we need strategic bombers anymore?

    And we don't have land based ICBMs for the most part. Those don't make sense anymore. Basically one OHIO class has enough power to decimate any nation on the planet. Furthermore, non-state actors are not afraid of nukes in the same way nations are.

    He's wrong on the JSF though as we do need to replace fighters. But the overruns are outrageous. Cost plus is evil.

    And cutting down on bases would save money and earn alot of good will.

    His last point is dead on the money. Gates was pushing just that.
    Two points I want to make on the JSF project. First, the kind of opponent we're most likely to be fighting are tin-pot dictators using 60's era MiG's. You don't need a fifth generation fighter to deal with that kind of threat. Second, on the off chance that we do go up against someone with something a little more modern, we still have over a hundred F-22's. No one has anything that can compare with F-22's. They're actually superior to the F-35. That's why I'd say the JSF is pretty much redundant, and the price tag on it is just ridiculous.
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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    1. Get rid of at least half of our aircraft carriers, and a similar number of other ships.
    Considering the maintence downtime on carriers, the MOST we can get rid of is 2.

    2. Get rid of all our strategic bombers.
    This I agree. Aside from the B-2s. We really don't need B-52s anymore. Unless it's Megafotress style. That I would be okay with.

    5. Kill the Joint Strike Fighter project, and majorly cut the size of our airforce. Phase out the older planes.
    You do know that some of the harriers, F-16s F-18s and F-15s are going on 30 years? It's really time to replace them.
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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    If I bash you over the head with a baseball bat and you die, are you any less dead than if I fire 500 rounds from a .50 caliber machine gun? If I hit your country with 50 nuclear missiles, is it any less obliterated than if I hit it with 1000 nuclear missiles? Think about it.
    No, I'll be just as dead. But, the part you're missing, is that if I have a fifty-cal, you won't hit me with the baseball bat.

    By the same token, if I have 100 nuke, you won't hit me with your 1,000 nukes, because you know you can't get them all and that I will destroy you, too. It's called, MAD: Mutual Assured Destruction. Think about it.

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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    You're right! I can smoke weed if I want, or go to a prostitute, or get married to someone of the same sex, or fly without being hassled by the government, and there's absolutely no danger of my phone conversations being randomly wiretapped.
    Is that how you define, "freedom"?

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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Two points I want to make on the JSF project. First, the kind of opponent we're most likely to be fighting are tin-pot dictators using 60's era MiG's. You don't need a fifth generation fighter to deal with that kind of threat. Second, on the off chance that we do go up against someone with something a little more modern, we still have over a hundred F-22's. No one has anything that can compare with F-22's. They're actually superior to the F-35. That's why I'd say the JSF is pretty much redundant, and the price tag on it is just ridiculous.
    You gotta remember that the F-22 is far more of an air superority fighters. The JSF fills in everything from support air superiority to ground support. It's quite a verstile fighters replacing everything from the A-10 to the Harrier. Whle I agree that the cost is getting ridiculous, I don't see a better replacement considering some of our fighters are older then their pilots.
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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Uh huh. And is the correct way to do that to invade the **** out of their country with tanks and bombers and ****?
    Absolutely goddamn ****ing right!

    If they don't like it, they should just not **** with us and it won't happen.

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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually all it takes apparently to cause a nuclear winter strong enough to wipe out virtually all life on the planet is something like 50 to 75 large megaton warheads in the atmosphere. We don't even need to hit them to wipe them out.
    I don't even get the point of having anything over a megaton. The 15 kiloton bomb dropped on Hiroshima was enough to mostly destroy a small city, and the Ohio class carries 415 kiloton warheads. That's plenty to glass a city the size of New York or London. Anything bigger than that is just saber rattling.
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    Re: Profits soar amid mass layoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    You can own land in Europe,you can own guns in many countries,you can hunt and fish, you can drive a car, you can work where you want and start your own business. Yes, you are bound by a class system. It isn't instituted by law,but it's there and most European nations have much more upward mobility than we do.

    Speaking of being free a lot of those "clowns" in prison are there becuase they smoked weed, something you can do in Europe, but not here. So who is more free again? Oh and you still haven't addressed the Patriot Act.
    I rest my case, sir.

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