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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    If Dem's don't like reps plan where is theres? When they were supposed to pass a budget they punted and now have the nerve to throw rocks from the sidelines at Reps plan, amazing and sickening as are people who defend them.As usually libs are far better at trashing other ideas than they are at coming up with any ideas of your own. Maybe they don't have any?

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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If Dem's don't like reps plan where is theres? When they were supposed to pass a budget they punted and now have the nerve to throw rocks from the sidelines at Reps plan, amazing and sickening as are people who defend them.As usually libs are far better at trashing other ideas than they are at coming up with any ideas of your own. Maybe they don't have any?
    Whats sickening is people that are clueless about whats really going on

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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whats sickening is people that are clueless about whats really going on
    So there has been a budget approved by the senate in the last 800 days? You are correct many people do not know this fact. Please give us some of the highlights.

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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    This wasn't about passing legislation, it was about getting a recorded vote.
    ........ and the purpose of that exercise would be to ..............?????
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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    If only stupid actually did hurt. The Republicans would ALL have migraines.

    What Obama (and Boehner, and the economy ) are dealing with - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

    I walked out of the vote with Rep. Jason Chaffetz and Rep. Jim Jordan, two of the House's CCB diehards. The two of them discussed the possibility of bringing the bill off the table. “They didn't kill it,” said Chaffetz. “They just tabled it. That's a great sign for us.” So it's alive? "Clearly. They're in panic mode."

    That would be Jason Chaffetz, member of the House from Utah. And no, it’s not a “good sign” for CCB proponents; it’s not any kind of sign at all. Tabling is a normal way to kill things in the Senate. Chaffetz might want to learn that, since he happens to be running for the Senate. He is talking nonsense here (as Weigel explains in his post). Here’s the thing, though — how do you negotiate with people who just have no idea what they’re talking about?

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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Senate voted today to block the House-passed “Cut, Cap and Balance” legislation from even being brought to a vote on passage. A procedural motion to “table” a “motion to proceed” on the measure passed 51 to 46 on party lines.

    Reps. Tim Huelskamp (R., Kan.) and Jeff Duncan (R., S.C.) led a delegation of roughly a dozen House Republican freshman to the Senate floor to observe the proceedings during the vote.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said Thursday it would be a “waste of the Senate’s time” to debate the measure any further, adding that he thought the bill was “perhaps some of the worst legislation in the history of this country.” Reid had initially schedule the vote for Saturday, but decided to move it up at the last minute.

    “Senator Reid’s scramble to vote on this bill a day earlier than previously announced shows that Cut, Cap, and Balance is quickly gaining momentum,” said Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), chairman of the Republican Study Committee, which was largely responsible for drafting the legislation. “Senate Democrats should stop hiding behind a procedural vote to block a plan with two-to-one support from the American public. So long as it has the support of the American people, Cut, Cap, and Balance remains very much alive.”...

    Because the package under discussion includes tax increases as well as spending cuts, Reid claimed, and due to the Constitutional requirement that all revenue bills originate in the lower chamber, “the path to avert default now runs first to the House of Representatives…We in the Senate must wait for them.”




    now. that's chutzpah. kill what they send you and then insist it's their responsibility to send you a solution.


    CNN Polling shows that nearly two-thirds of the American people support cut cap and balance.
    Then the house should have taken the initiative and passed something that would have gotten through the senate and not pass something that was ideological.

    I don't listen to my child when he insists on ice cream after bedtime. The same principal should apply here.
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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ........ and the purpose of that exercise would be to ..............?????
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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Then the house should have taken the initiative and passed something that would have gotten through the senate and not pass something that was ideological.
    what utter bunk. The House is supposed to pass what it wants to do, the Senate is supposed to pass what it wants to do, they are supposed to send it to conference committee, it goes back to the respective chambers, and then if it passes to the President. It is not the responsibility of the House of Representatives to lead the nation - that is the executives' job. The responsibility of the House is to generate a budget and in this case to generate legislation to raise the debt ceiling, and they have done so. It is also their responsibility to keep campaign promises - and this was one.

    You are living in a Tea Party nation now; when we say cut the spending and change the structure, we mean it

    Democrats can't sit back and legitimately complain about how Republicans either aren't doing all their heavy lifting, or are doing it all wrong. The President is Out To Lunch on this issue.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-28-11 at 07:42 AM.

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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Will.. I spanked you in another thread for this very link and you had the balls to post it again??

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../21/rel11b.pdf

    There is the CNN poll!! Read it!! Republicans are getting their butt kicked!! Show us all where it actually supports your claim?? Show us where it says 2/3rds support cut, cap and balance.. Your full of it dude!! I don't care what the news week article says.. The poll says something else and paints a very different picture.. One that doesn't agree with you!!

    This poll shows a back lash against republicans.. A well diserved back lash!! More people blame republicans for the current crisis.. More people believe that republicans are not acting responsibly.. Obama is acting responsibly.. All in that poll.. Not to mention a huge number of folks that want the tax cuts to expire..

    Dude!! You really need to learn to read your links..

    Cutting the amount the government spends on Medicaid,
    the federal health program for the poor 22% 77% *
    Cutting the amount the government spends on Medicare,
    the federal health program for the elderly 12% 87% 1%
    Cutting the amount the government spends on Social Security 16% 84% 1%
    Increasing the taxes paid by oil and gas companies by ending
    federal subsidies for those businesses 73% 26% 1%
    Increasing the taxes paid by businesses that own private jets 76% 23% *
    Increasing the taxes paid by people who make more than
    250 thousand dollars a year 73% 26% *
    The first number is favor and the 2nd is opposed..

    77% do not want to cut spending on medicaid..

    87% do not want cuts made to medicare..

    84% do not want cuts made to Social security..

    73% do want to increase taxes on oil companies and ending subsidies..

    76% want to increase taxes on companies that have private jets..

    73% want an increase in taxes in everyone making $250k or more a year..

    Are you paying attention Will?? That is your link!! How do you think republicans are going to do come 2012?? Are they listening to the people of this nation??

    If the debt ceiling is not raised.. Who are you going to blame?? 51% say republicans.. 63% say republicans have not acted responsibly.. 52% say Obama has acted responsibly..

    I don't know what else to say here.. Republicans are quickly reaching a point where they just need to put their heads between their legs and kiss their butts goodbye!!
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    Re: Senate Blocks Voet on Cut Cap and Balance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what utter bunk. The House is supposed to pass what it wants to do, the Senate is supposed to pass what it wants to do, they are supposed to send it to conference committee, it goes back to the respective chambers, and then if it passes to the President. It is not the responsibility of the House of Representatives to lead the nation - that is the executives' job. The responsibility of the House is to generate a budget and in this case to generate legislation to raise the debt ceiling, and they have done so. It is also their responsibility to keep campaign promises - and this was one.

    You are living in a Tea Party nation now; when we say cut the spending and change the structure, we mean it

    Democrats can't sit back and legitimately complain about how Republicans either aren't doing all their heavy lifting, or are doing it all wrong. The President is Out To Lunch on this issue.
    It is impossible to lead a group of people that hates you and does not want you as a leader

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