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Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

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Recent polls show that Americans are coming to agree with Obama's position: that Congress must raise the debt ceiling and reduce the deficit by a mix of tax hikes and spending cuts.

Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff? - CSMonitor.com

In the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released Tuesday night, a growing percentage of Americans – now 38 percent – say that the debt ceiling should be raised, versus 31 percent who say it should not. A month ago, only 28 percent favored raising the debt ceiling and 39 percent said it shouldn’t. Obama, his administration, and most economists assert that a failure to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2 would lead the nation to begin defaulting on its debt – or, alternatively, halt payments on other national obligations, such as Social Security checks and service members’ paychecks. Any of these nonpayments would be devastating to the US economy and the individuals affected.

Good to hear.
 
Agreed. Though I wish the numbers were higher.
 
I doubt Obama is winning over very many people with talk of more spending and higher taxes.
 
This is precisely what is wrong with our country. We are more focused on who is "winning over America" than actually what sort of policies are being implemented.
 
This is precisely what is wrong with our country. We are more focused on who is "winning over America" than actually what sort of policies are being implemented.

While I do agree with you that the obsession with wining is far to pervasive, the system requires that public support is raised. It's an ugly and messy business. And today, it really has gotten to a point of excess exposure. Not that there wasn't real mud from the beginning in this country, but the sheer volume of voices, around the clock, spewing mud and disinformation has become excessive and more damaging than ever I fear.
 
Polls these days our sooo fishy and the use of pseudo polls misdirect the public all the time
 
Polls these days our sooo fishy and the use of pseudo polls misdirect the public all the time

The reality is that polls on policy questions are pretty meaningless. The general public just doesn't spend enough time following every twist and turn to know all the nuances. They often appear to support two conflicting positions for example. Often times they will say they oppose some bill, but then if you ask them about each individual component of that bill, they will support them all... It isn't that they're dumb or something. It is just that they have jobs and families and whatnot that are more pressing than reading about political issues.
 
Obama is many disgusting things. One of his major shortcomings is his leadership. It totally blows, and it blows hard. He wants a Communist economy, but he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to develop a specific plan to accomplish that goal. He refuses to be specific, because can't take the heat specificity will engender within his own Leftist camp. He's deliberately irresponsible. Obama is a deadly curse upon the nation.
 
He wants a Communist economy, but he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to develop a specific plan to accomplish that goal.

So you claim to somehow have this insight into Obama that tells you that despite his actions and claims, he wants a communist economy... I guess you just think you can see it in his eyes or Glenn Beck told you so, so it must be true or something... And you're mad because you think he has this goal you attributed to him. But then you're also mad that he isn't succeeding in accomplishing this goal you hate...

I dunno man. I think you need to think this one through some more. Start by reading what communism is maybe?
 
Obama is many disgusting things. One of his major shortcomings is his leadership. It totally blows, and it blows hard. He wants a Communist economy, but he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to develop a specific plan to accomplish that goal. He refuses to be specific, because can't take the heat specificity will engender within his own Leftist camp. He's deliberately irresponsible. Obama is a deadly curse upon the nation.

If he isnt "specific" then how do you know he wants a communistic economy?
Your a ****ing nut job dude.
 
More is the pity.

:shrug: for democrats. for the country, obviously, this is a good sign.

But Americans pretty consistently have demonstrated high support for a balanced budget. IMO, that's why Obama is afraid to let it go to the states - it would pass.
 
:shrug: for democrats. for the country, obviously, this is a good sign.

But Americans pretty consistently have demonstrated high support for a balanced budget. IMO, that's why Obama is afraid to let it go to the states - it would pass.

For the country as a whole. As what I understood from the op, what they were accpeting was the need to do both. If they lose that very important point, we all lose.

As for the balanced budget nonsense, it is something that sounds better than it is. It is poorly thoughtout rhetoric that would be a disaster, worse than debt.
 
From a source I think we both can accept:

But we have been writing since at least the 1995 vote on a balanced budget amendment that we do not believe this mechanism can achieve its desired result. Its effects may even prove perverse. We see no reason to change that view now.

The newest versions of the BBA include a strong provision requiring a two-thirds supermajority vote to increase taxes. That said, we doubt the historic 1981 Reagan tax cuts within the Kemp-Roth bill, once subjected to Congress's revenue-neutrality accountants, could have survived the balanced budget mandate. Even with deficits, the U.S. grew strongly for seven years, adding to GDP as much as the entire West German economy.

Nor is it clear that the amendment could avoid unintended consequences. In the current fight over spending and the debt, the GOP Congressional leadership has worked well to protect the defense budget from a President who constantly cites the need to cut it. But under a mandated need to balance spending, the inevitable horse-trading would likely default to cutting defense while ducking fights on domestic programs.

(snip)

The new Members who are intent on fiscal responsibility should visit with Congressional historians to discover a root cause of this modern spending catastrophe—the 1974 Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act, the most laughable title ever placed on a federal law.

Passed amid Richard Nixon's struggles over spending with Congress, the law eviscerated the President's ability to impound Congressional spending. The law itself was an act of rage against Nixon's impoundments. "Control" over spending tipped into the hands of Congress, as is clear from the upward path of federal spending post-1974. This was the start of the infamous "baseline" budgeting rules, which automatically ratchet up spending from one year to the next.

Rather than trying to scale the impossibly high cliff of a Constitutional amendment, younger Members should revisit that bad law and fix it. Tom DeLay never wanted to fix it, but Paul Ryan does. The goal of an achievable reform act would be to put spending on a downward slope. That would include getting rid of baseline budgeting, restoring the Presidential impoundment power (if liberal Congresses hated it, it must have been good), and requiring the two-thirds majority for tax increases.

Review & Outlook: GOP Balancing Act - WSJ.com

They are not alone in thinking it is a bad idea.

what’s wrong with a balanced budget amendment? « PRACTICAL STOCK INVESTING

RIGHT SPEAK: Romney Is Wrong To Take The Balanced Budget Amendment Pledge

Be Careful What You Wish For: the Balanced Budget Amendment | The Moderate Voice
 
How can this be, nobody knows what it is or what effect it would have on them?

If true, much like NCLB, people react to the sound of the language without understanding what it really means. That would be my take.
 
Obama is many disgusting things. One of his major shortcomings is his leadership. It totally blows, and it blows hard. He wants a Communist economy but he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to develop a specific plan to accomplish that goal. He refuses to be specific, because can't take the heat specificity will engender within his own Leftist camp. He's deliberately irresponsible. Obama is a deadly curse upon the nation.

Now I can understand one not liking Obama policies, but please, lets be adult about it. There is NOTHING remotely communist about Obama's agenda. I think its time for your meds.....
 
Presidential Approval Tracking

you will notice it was high when we schwacked Osama, and has been headed downward ever since the topic changed to the debt ceiling.

64% of Americans Disapprove of Obama's Handling of the Deficit

CNN Poll: Nearly 2/3rds of the American People Support "Cut, Cap, and Balance"

Dude!! Do you ever read your own posts?? Or should I say links??

Spending cuts and tax increases 64%

That is out of your CNN poll.. Now have a seat and start paying attention.. That is how many want both a tax increase and cuts..

No, have not 63%

That is how many people think that republicans have NOT acted responsibly.. Way to go there..

Yes, has acted responsibly 52%

There is how many people feel that Obama HAS acted responsibly..

Damn dude!! You are getting laid to waste here.. Not that I am suprised..

Republicans 51%

If the debt ceiling is not raised.. Guess who is most responsible.. You guessed it.. Not Obama..

Thanks for playing will.. Next time you want to smear the facts or the truth.. You better check what you are posting to make sure it doesn't come back and bite you in the butt..

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/07/21/rel11b.pdf

Your CNN poll.. Speaking of poll?? How do you think that this will all turn out at the voting polls?? Republicans are cutting their own throat here.. There is no logical reason to keep the tax cuts for the rich, while expecting to cut benefits for the poor.. Republicans raised the debt ceiling like 7 or 8 times for Bush and are looking like a horses backside now for not doing it for Obama..

You better get with the program here dude.. Your posts are more comical than they are accurate or even worth a response..

Increasing the taxes paid by people who make more than
250 thousand dollars a year 73% 26%

73% of the people would favor increasing the taxes on people who make 250k or more a year.. Still want to talk about 2012??
 
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How can this be, nobody knows what it is or what effect it would have on them?

A link to the actual poll is below.. It actually says something alot different than Will is intending.. But because he didn't read it.. This is just another example of where his own link or source proves him wrong.. And liberals wonder why conservatives don't like sourcing their posts..

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/07/21/rel11b.pdf

There is the actual poll, questions, and results and it stings to high heaven on the arse of republicans.. The sad thing is, he didn't actually read the poll, or actually see what is says..
 
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A link to the actual poll is below.. It actually says something alot different than Will is intending.. But because he didn't read it.. This is just another example of where his own link or source proves him wrong.. And liberals wonder why conservatives don't like sourcing their posts..

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/07/21/rel11b.pdf

There is the actual poll, questions, and results and it stings to high heaven on the arse of republicans.. The sad thing is, he didn't actually read the poll, or actually see what is says..

Maybe he read the NRO review of it. They sometimes are less than accurate in their retelling of things. :coffeepap
 
A link to the actual poll is below.. It actually says something alot different than Will is intending.. But because he didn't read it.. This is just another example of where his own link or source proves him wrong.. And liberals wonder why conservatives don't like sourcing their posts..

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/07/21/rel11b.pdf

There is the actual poll, questions, and results and it stings to high heaven on the arse of republicans.. The sad thing is, he didn't actually read the poll, or actually see what is says..

Yes, if people actually read the poll, we would be talking about tax increases rather than expenditure cuts. Its clear in the poll that people are AGAINST every expenditure cut and FOR broadly raising taxes. Its defies logic out of touch the Regressives are with the American people..... though, as a party, they never represented that they actually represent the American people.
 
This is precisely what is wrong with our country. We are more focused on who is "winning over America" than actually what sort of policies are being implemented.

Given the reality that we live in a democratic republic where the people vote for the representatives in government, having the support of the American people is a pretty big deal.
 
Whoever loses the debt ceiling debate with america will be in trouble...Most americans unfortunately are not as astute in keeping up with politics daily. Most have busy lives...The bulk of america slooooowly becomes aware of issued and are even sloooower to form a firm opinion.....Anyone watching this fiasco daily can readily see its the Republicans that are refusing to negotiate...in fact they arent negotiating at all...they are DEMANDING and I believe when that sinks in to most of america...the worm may very well turn at that point
 
Whoever loses the debt ceiling debate with america will be in trouble...Most americans unfortunately are not as astute in keeping up with politics daily. Most have busy lives...The bulk of america slooooowly becomes aware of issued and are even sloooower to form a firm opinion.....Anyone watching this fiasco daily can readily see its the Republicans that are refusing to negotiate...in fact they arent negotiating at all...they are DEMANDING and I believe when that sinks in to most of america...the worm may very well turn at that point
Although the average American can't managed his or her own debt and the average American loved to play now and pay later, the opinion I hope when it comes is a good one and the right one but I will not hold my breath. The American people love their free stuff from uncle sam at the cost of their freedoms and payroll.
 
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