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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    A link to the actual poll is below.. It actually says something alot different than Will is intending.. But because he didn't read it.. This is just another example of where his own link or source proves him wrong.. And liberals wonder why conservatives don't like sourcing their posts..

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../21/rel11b.pdf

    There is the actual poll, questions, and results and it stings to high heaven on the arse of republicans.. The sad thing is, he didn't actually read the poll, or actually see what is says..
    Maybe he read the NRO review of it. They sometimes are less than accurate in their retelling of things.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    A link to the actual poll is below.. It actually says something alot different than Will is intending.. But because he didn't read it.. This is just another example of where his own link or source proves him wrong.. And liberals wonder why conservatives don't like sourcing their posts..

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../21/rel11b.pdf

    There is the actual poll, questions, and results and it stings to high heaven on the arse of republicans.. The sad thing is, he didn't actually read the poll, or actually see what is says..
    Yes, if people actually read the poll, we would be talking about tax increases rather than expenditure cuts. Its clear in the poll that people are AGAINST every expenditure cut and FOR broadly raising taxes. Its defies logic out of touch the Regressives are with the American people..... though, as a party, they never represented that they actually represent the American people.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is precisely what is wrong with our country. We are more focused on who is "winning over America" than actually what sort of policies are being implemented.
    Given the reality that we live in a democratic republic where the people vote for the representatives in government, having the support of the American people is a pretty big deal.
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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Whoever loses the debt ceiling debate with america will be in trouble...Most americans unfortunately are not as astute in keeping up with politics daily. Most have busy lives...The bulk of america slooooowly becomes aware of issued and are even sloooower to form a firm opinion.....Anyone watching this fiasco daily can readily see its the Republicans that are refusing to negotiate...in fact they arent negotiating at all...they are DEMANDING and I believe when that sinks in to most of america...the worm may very well turn at that point

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whoever loses the debt ceiling debate with america will be in trouble...Most americans unfortunately are not as astute in keeping up with politics daily. Most have busy lives...The bulk of america slooooowly becomes aware of issued and are even sloooower to form a firm opinion.....Anyone watching this fiasco daily can readily see its the Republicans that are refusing to negotiate...in fact they arent negotiating at all...they are DEMANDING and I believe when that sinks in to most of america...the worm may very well turn at that point
    Although the average American can't managed his or her own debt and the average American loved to play now and pay later, the opinion I hope when it comes is a good one and the right one but I will not hold my breath. The American people love their free stuff from uncle sam at the cost of their freedoms and payroll.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Although the average American can't managed his or her own debt and the average American loved to play now and pay later, the opinion I hope when it comes is a good one and the right one but I will not hold my breath. The American people love their free stuff from uncle sam at the cost of their freedoms and payroll.
    This isnt about that...this is about a far right part of the republican party wanting to dictate what they want and ram it down everyones throat....
    I doubt you will find anyone that doesnt believe we need to cut spending and would agree to spending and entitlement cuts..thats not what this is about its about the teaparty not only wanting to cut the middleclass to the bone...they want to give it to to corps and the richest americans....and thats turning alot of long time republicans OFF big time

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    This isnt about that...this is about a far right part of the republican party wanting to dictate what they want and ram it down everyones throat....
    I doubt you will find anyone that doesnt believe we need to cut spending and would agree to spending and entitlement cuts..thats not what this is about its about the teaparty not only wanting to cut the middleclass to the bone...they want to give it to to corps and the richest americans....and thats turning alot of long time republicans OFF big time
    Reading a couple of your posts brings to mind a quote from P.T. barum something like "No one ever went broke underestimating the American public".

    Neither side really wants any " grand bargain". They want to kick the can down the road and fight it out in the 2012 elections. Republicans want to campaign on the big government small government debate while Democrats want to talk about taxes on millionaires and billionaires and kicking grandma off medicare. Obama wants this fight, expecting to have nearly a billion dollars to flood the airwaves with his negative ads on whomever runs.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Reading a couple of your posts brings to mind a quote from P.T. barum something like "No one ever went broke underestimating the American public".

    Neither side really wants any " grand bargain". They want to kick the can down the road and fight it out in the 2012 elections. Republicans want to campaign on the big government small government debate while Democrats want to talk about taxes on millionaires and billionaires and kicking grandma off medicare. Obama wants this fight, expecting to have nearly a billion dollars to flood the airwaves with his negative ads on whomever runs.
    You are right...works both ways. The republicans have gotten themselves backed into the corner of having to be the tough guys...stick our chest out were not taking anything less that exactly what we want...they seem to believe they have to pacify the far right teaparty....I believe that eventually is going to hurt them...In nov I would have said a resounding NO to obama ever winning the next election and a second term...but if he plays this right he can get most of america on his side....the republicans have no where to go now...they have to stick their chest out and Make demands to appease the 30 to 45 yr old greedsters that dont want to pay a dime in taxs....obama has alot of places to go...lets see how it works out
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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You are right...works both ways. The republicans have gotten themselves backed into the corner of having to be the tough guys...stick our chest out were not taking anything less that exactly what we want...they seem to believe they have to pacify the far right teaparty....I believe that eventually is going to hurt them...In nov I would have said a resounding NO to obama ever winning the next election and a second term...but if he plays this right he can get most of america on his side....the republicans have no where to go now...they have to stick their chest out and Make demands to appease the 30 to 45 yr old greedsters that dont want to pay a dime in taxs....obama has alot of places to go...lets see how it works out
    My sense how it goes is with some small cuts and a new debt ceiling. Again you need to think about the intransigence on both sides. Senate dems pushed Obama to seek more revenue, which threw the deal into the gutter. The sad part is that the politicians look at this issue like you do, who can win make the other guy look bad and win an election.

    Remember S&P said they would downgrade our debt if there was no plan to cut about $4 trillion in the deficit over 10 years. People are not even focused on that problem. If it happens, I don't think the American public will be happy with the President or congress who let that happen.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Dude!! Do you ever read your own posts?? Or should I say links??



    That is out of your CNN poll.. Now have a seat and start paying attention.. That is how many want both a tax increase and cuts..



    That is how many people think that republicans have NOT acted responsibly.. Way to go there..



    There is how many people feel that Obama HAS acted responsibly..

    Damn dude!! You are getting laid to waste here.. Not that I am suprised..



    If the debt ceiling is not raised.. Guess who is most responsible.. You guessed it.. Not Obama..

    Thanks for playing will.. Next time you want to smear the facts or the truth.. You better check what you are posting to make sure it doesn't come back and bite you in the butt..

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../21/rel11b.pdf

    Your CNN poll.. Speaking of poll?? How do you think that this will all turn out at the voting polls?? Republicans are cutting their own throat here.. There is no logical reason to keep the tax cuts for the rich, while expecting to cut benefits for the poor.. Republicans raised the debt ceiling like 7 or 8 times for Bush and are looking like a horses backside now for not doing it for Obama..

    You better get with the program here dude.. Your posts are more comical than they are accurate or even worth a response..



    73% of the people would favor increasing the taxes on people who make 250k or more a year.. Still want to talk about 2012??
    lol, good work, as soon as I saw his post I was going to craft a response just like this. You beat me to it.

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