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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Obama is many disgusting things. One of his major shortcomings is his leadership. It totally blows, and it blows hard. He wants a Communist economy, but he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to develop a specific plan to accomplish that goal. He refuses to be specific, because can't take the heat specificity will engender within his own Leftist camp. He's deliberately irresponsible. Obama is a deadly curse upon the nation.
    If he isnt "specific" then how do you know he wants a communistic economy?
    Your a ****ing nut job dude.


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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    you will notice it was high when we schwacked Osama, and has been headed downward ever since the topic changed to the debt ceiling.

    64% of Americans Disapprove of Obama's Handling of the Deficit

    CNN Poll: Nearly 2/3rds of the American People Support "Cut, Cap, and Balance"
    More is the pity.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    More is the pity.
    for democrats. for the country, obviously, this is a good sign.

    But Americans pretty consistently have demonstrated high support for a balanced budget. IMO, that's why Obama is afraid to let it go to the states - it would pass.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    for democrats. for the country, obviously, this is a good sign.

    But Americans pretty consistently have demonstrated high support for a balanced budget. IMO, that's why Obama is afraid to let it go to the states - it would pass.
    For the country as a whole. As what I understood from the op, what they were accpeting was the need to do both. If they lose that very important point, we all lose.

    As for the balanced budget nonsense, it is something that sounds better than it is. It is poorly thoughtout rhetoric that would be a disaster, worse than debt.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    How can this be, nobody knows what it is or what effect it would have on them?


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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    From a source I think we both can accept:

    But we have been writing since at least the 1995 vote on a balanced budget amendment that we do not believe this mechanism can achieve its desired result. Its effects may even prove perverse. We see no reason to change that view now.

    The newest versions of the BBA include a strong provision requiring a two-thirds supermajority vote to increase taxes. That said, we doubt the historic 1981 Reagan tax cuts within the Kemp-Roth bill, once subjected to Congress's revenue-neutrality accountants, could have survived the balanced budget mandate. Even with deficits, the U.S. grew strongly for seven years, adding to GDP as much as the entire West German economy.

    Nor is it clear that the amendment could avoid unintended consequences. In the current fight over spending and the debt, the GOP Congressional leadership has worked well to protect the defense budget from a President who constantly cites the need to cut it. But under a mandated need to balance spending, the inevitable horse-trading would likely default to cutting defense while ducking fights on domestic programs.

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    The new Members who are intent on fiscal responsibility should visit with Congressional historians to discover a root cause of this modern spending catastrophe—the 1974 Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act, the most laughable title ever placed on a federal law.

    Passed amid Richard Nixon's struggles over spending with Congress, the law eviscerated the President's ability to impound Congressional spending. The law itself was an act of rage against Nixon's impoundments. "Control" over spending tipped into the hands of Congress, as is clear from the upward path of federal spending post-1974. This was the start of the infamous "baseline" budgeting rules, which automatically ratchet up spending from one year to the next.

    Rather than trying to scale the impossibly high cliff of a Constitutional amendment, younger Members should revisit that bad law and fix it. Tom DeLay never wanted to fix it, but Paul Ryan does. The goal of an achievable reform act would be to put spending on a downward slope. That would include getting rid of baseline budgeting, restoring the Presidential impoundment power (if liberal Congresses hated it, it must have been good), and requiring the two-thirds majority for tax increases.

    Review & Outlook: GOP Balancing Act - WSJ.com

    They are not alone in thinking it is a bad idea.

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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How can this be, nobody knows what it is or what effect it would have on them?
    If true, much like NCLB, people react to the sound of the language without understanding what it really means. That would be my take.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Obama is many disgusting things. One of his major shortcomings is his leadership. It totally blows, and it blows hard. He wants a Communist economy but he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to develop a specific plan to accomplish that goal. He refuses to be specific, because can't take the heat specificity will engender within his own Leftist camp. He's deliberately irresponsible. Obama is a deadly curse upon the nation.
    Now I can understand one not liking Obama policies, but please, lets be adult about it. There is NOTHING remotely communist about Obama's agenda. I think its time for your meds.....

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    you will notice it was high when we schwacked Osama, and has been headed downward ever since the topic changed to the debt ceiling.

    64% of Americans Disapprove of Obama's Handling of the Deficit

    CNN Poll: Nearly 2/3rds of the American People Support "Cut, Cap, and Balance"
    Dude!! Do you ever read your own posts?? Or should I say links??

    Spending cuts and tax increases 64%
    That is out of your CNN poll.. Now have a seat and start paying attention.. That is how many want both a tax increase and cuts..

    No, have not 63%
    That is how many people think that republicans have NOT acted responsibly.. Way to go there..

    Yes, has acted responsibly 52%
    There is how many people feel that Obama HAS acted responsibly..

    Damn dude!! You are getting laid to waste here.. Not that I am suprised..

    Republicans 51%
    If the debt ceiling is not raised.. Guess who is most responsible.. You guessed it.. Not Obama..

    Thanks for playing will.. Next time you want to smear the facts or the truth.. You better check what you are posting to make sure it doesn't come back and bite you in the butt..

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../21/rel11b.pdf

    Your CNN poll.. Speaking of poll?? How do you think that this will all turn out at the voting polls?? Republicans are cutting their own throat here.. There is no logical reason to keep the tax cuts for the rich, while expecting to cut benefits for the poor.. Republicans raised the debt ceiling like 7 or 8 times for Bush and are looking like a horses backside now for not doing it for Obama..

    You better get with the program here dude.. Your posts are more comical than they are accurate or even worth a response..

    Increasing the taxes paid by people who make more than
    250 thousand dollars a year 73% 26%
    73% of the people would favor increasing the taxes on people who make 250k or more a year.. Still want to talk about 2012??
    Last edited by DemonMyst; 07-23-11 at 03:37 AM.

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    Re: Is Obama winning over Americans in debt-ceiling standoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How can this be, nobody knows what it is or what effect it would have on them?
    A link to the actual poll is below.. It actually says something alot different than Will is intending.. But because he didn't read it.. This is just another example of where his own link or source proves him wrong.. And liberals wonder why conservatives don't like sourcing their posts..

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im.../21/rel11b.pdf

    There is the actual poll, questions, and results and it stings to high heaven on the arse of republicans.. The sad thing is, he didn't actually read the poll, or actually see what is says..
    Last edited by DemonMyst; 07-23-11 at 03:34 AM.

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