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Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

pbrauer said:
Can we agree you don't know WTF you are talking about???
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LOL. I am quite certain that anyone with your track record would have your opinion. But that changes nothing about Barack Hussein Obama, mentored by communists, pastored by Marxists (the Soviet Union funded Black Liberation Theology), and whose defining characteristic is a hatred of private enterprise and capitalism.
He grew up on Saul Alinsky, Here is what one author wrote about Saul"

Alinsky was an intensely clever fellow with no compunction about exploiting popular sentiment to achieve his ends. One of his favorite methodologies was to use America’s founders to back his own Marxism. As Breitbart writes, “Alinsky’s clever merging of fake founding philosophy with his own Marxism led him to internal contradictions that would have sunk a lesser ego. While championing ‘freedom,’ for example – he hated the idea of individual freedom the Founders loved – he [pushed for] ‘communal freedom,’ which is to say tyranny led by the government.”
Obama was raised in the Alinsky tradition, and he speaks with Alinsky’s forked tongue. Thus, for example, Obama opened his speech by stating that Americans have historically “put our faith in free markets and free enterprise as the engine of America’s wealth and prosperity … we are rugged individualists, a self-reliant people with a healthy skepticism of too much government.”
So far, so good. But Obama continues: “But there has always been another thread running throughout our history – a belief that we are all connected; and that there are some things we can only do together, as a nation.” This is un-American, and it is a lie. American unity doesn’t occur in opposition to free markets, but in defense of them.
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Barack Obama’s Arrogant Marxist Rhetoric | FrontPage Magazine

I could go on for hours. If it quacks like a (Marxist) duck, and waddles like a (Marxist) duck, and swims like a (Marxist) duck, it is most likely a Marxist duck.
 
Misterveritis said:
Your metaphor fails you.
Lowering tax rates permanently increases economic activity. That in turn increases tax revenues.
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Oh yeh! That's why there was not one net new job created during the Great GWSnotForBrains Depression and tenure. 8 years of tax cuts and no jobs. What kind of proof do you need that the tax cuts just made the rich a bit richer. It allowed them to move their factories and equipment to China, as far as I can tell. How 'bout them jobs there in Alabammy.?? Your quote on economic activity must be part of a more serious delusion, don't you think?
 
DaveFagan said:
Oh yeh! That's why there was not one net new job created during the Great GWSnotForBrains Depression and tenure. 8 years of tax cuts and no jobs. What kind of proof do you need that the tax cuts just made the rich a bit richer. It allowed them to move their factories and equipment to China, as far as I can tell. How 'bout them jobs there in Alabammy.?? Your quote on economic activity must be part of a more serious delusion, don't you think?
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Aw, great, another person who buys the media spin and leftwing rhetoric but ignores the Obama results. These are the results you support

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
DaveFagan said:
Oh yeh!
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Yeah!

DaveFagan said:
That's why there was not one net new job created during the Great GWSnotForBrains Depression and tenure. 8 years of tax cuts and no jobs.
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Quandary:

Mr. Bush boasted about 52 consecutive months of job growth during his presidency. What matters is the magnitude of growth, not ticks on a calendar. The economic expansion under Mr. Bush — which it is safe to assume is now over — produced job growth of 4.2 percent. That is the worst performance over a business cycle since the government started keeping track in 1945.
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Through Bush-Colored Glasses - New York Times
I selected a source hostile to President Bush just for fun.

What were the causes of the Recession? I believe the most important cause was the destruction done to our mortgage lending industries by Congressional Democrats like Frank and Dodd. Here are a few quotes:

1990s

With the mechanisms in place, the community organizing groups began developing directed strategies to exert more and more pressure on the lending industry in the cloak of complicity with CRA. Community organizer Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN activists. Employing the radical Alinsky intimidation tactics Obama had learned and was teaching -- "direct action" -- activists crowded bank lobbies, blocked drive-up teller lanes and demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat risky lending in poor and minority communities. Those who resisted were accused of racism to the media and government officials.
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June 1995

Republicans had won control of Congress and planned CRA reforms. The Clinton Administration, however, allied with Rep. Frank, Sen. Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) and Rep. Waters (D-California), did an end-around by directing HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo to inject GSEs into the subprime mortgage market.

As Kurtz notes,"ACORN had come to Congress not only to protect the CRA from GOP reforms but also to expand the reach of quota-based lending to Fannie, Freddie and beyond." What resulted was the broadening of the "acceptability of risky subprime loans throughout the financial system, thus precipitating our current crisis."
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Kurtz concludes, "Urged on by ACORN, congressional Democrats and the Clinton administration helped push tolerance for high-risk loans through every sector of the banking system -- far beyond the sort of banks originally subject to the CRA. So it was the efforts of ACORN and its Democratic allies that first spread the subprime virus from the CRA to Fannie and Freddie and thence to the entire financial system. Soon, Democratic politicians and regulators actually began to take pride in lowered credit standards as a sign of ‘fairness' -- and the contagion spread."

Attorney General Janet Reno, with a number of bank lending discrimination settlements already, sternly announces, "We will tackle lending discrimination wherever it appears." With the new policy in full force, "No loan is exempt; no bank is immune." "For those who thumb their nose at us, I promise vigorous enforcement," reiterated Reno.

1997

HUD Secretary Cuomo said "GSE presence in the subprime market could be of significant benefit to lower-income families, minorities, and families living in underserved areas . . ."
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And on it went to collapse. Of course Democrats will want to blame Bush as often as possible.
 
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sangha said:
The rightwingers just are not intelligent enough to realize that this could be done. Instead, they kept agreeing to pass tax increases in return for a promise of future spending cuts. And now they want to blame their ineptitude on others. And the boobs think this qualifies them to run the economy :crazy:
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Perhaps our earlier error was believing we were dealing with honorable people. But we were dealing with Democrats. I concede your point. We should have known we were dealing with scoundrels, liars and plunderers.
 
DaveFagan said:
Oh yeh! That's why there was not one net new job created during the Great GWSnotForBrains Depression and tenure. 8 years of tax cuts and no jobs. What kind of proof do you need that the tax cuts just made the rich a bit richer. It allowed them to move their factories and equipment to China, as far as I can tell. How 'bout them jobs there in Alabammy.?? Your quote on economic activity must be part of a more serious delusion, don't you think?
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that's a great rant. not much validity but a great rant. BDS of the top drawer. Tax cuts don't make the rich richer. It means the government makes the rich less poor
 
Misterveritis said:
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Quandary:



Through Bush-Colored Glasses - New York Times
I selected a source hostile to President Bush just for fun.

What were the causes of the Recession? I believe the most important cause was the destruction done to our mortgage lending industries by Congressional Democrats like Frank and Dodd. Here are a few quotes:








And on it went to collapse. Of course Democrats will want to blame Bush as often as possible.
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Yes indeedy, when you use a siphon hose to tap a septic tank, the results are predictable, as you certainly must now know. The Great GWSoupForBrains Depression is wholly owned by you and yours, the ones who supported his policies of ignorance, incompetence, corruption, greed, war, mayhem, torture, and lies.
 
DaveFagan said:
Yes indeedy, when you use a siphon hose to tap a septic tank, the results are predictable, as you certainly must now know. The Great GWSoupForBrains Depression is wholly owned by you and yours, the ones who supported his policies of ignorance, incompetence, corruption, greed, war, mayhem, torture, and lies.
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Absolutely amazing how many people have so much time invested in the hatred of GW Bush and so little understanding of what he actually accomplished positively. None of that really matters today other than allowing liberals to divert from the problems we have today and the total disaster Obama has been for this country and our economy. Guess people who want a nanny state are getting their wish and people who need a massive Federal Govt. to protect them from themself are getting exactly what they wanted. The classware and total economics and civic ignorance is staggering on the part of those who continue to support Obama. Democrats controlled the Senate 2001-2002 and the Congress 2007-2008 but it is Bush's fault for everything that happened, yet today 2 1/2 years after taking office Obama still isn't responsible for the results. Absolutely staggering logic on the part of Obama supporters.

Notice these are 2011 results!! Recession ended June 2009

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
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Misterveritis said:
Your metaphor fails you.
Lowering tax rates permanently increases economic activity. That in turn increases tax revenues.
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Is that why the bush* tax cuts destroyed millions of jobs? :lamo

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
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Conservative said:
Aw, great, another person who buys the media spin and leftwing rhetoric but ignores the Obama results. These are the results you support

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
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Aw, great, another person who buys the media spin and rightwing rhetoric but ignores the bsuh* results. These are the results you support

bush* economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have caused our credit downgraded
 
Misterveritis said:
Perhaps our earlier error was believing we were dealing with honorable people. But we were dealing with Democrats. I concede your point. We should have known we were dealing with scoundrels, liars and plunderers.
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And the rightwing boobs believed that bush* and the republicans would also cut spending, and you believed their lies too.

And the rightwing boobs think this qualifies them to run the economy :crazy:
 
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Conservative said:
Absolutely amazing how many people have so much time invested in the hatred of GW Bush and so little understanding of what he actually accomplished positively. None of that really matters today other than allowing liberals to divert from the problems we have today and the total disaster Obama has been for this country and our economy. Guess people who want a nanny state are getting their wish and people who need a massive Federal Govt. to protect them from themself are getting exactly what they wanted. The classware and total economics and civic ignorance is staggering on the part of those who continue to support Obama. Democrats controlled the Senate 2001-2002 and the Congress 2007-2008 but it is Bush's fault for everything that happened, yet today 2 1/2 years after taking office Obama still isn't responsible for the results. Absolutely staggering logic on the part of Obama supporters.

Notice these are 2011 results!! Recession ended June 2009
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Absolutely amazing how many people have so much time invested in the hatred of Obama and so little understanding of what he actually accomplished positively. None of that really matters today other than allowing wingnuts to divert from the problems we have today and the total disaster bush* has been for this country and our economy. Guess the rightwingers who want a nanny state are getting their wish and people who need a massive Federal Govt. to protect them from themself are getting exactly what they wanted. The classware and total economics and civic ignorance is staggering on the part of those who continue to support bsuh*. Republicans controlled the rthe house and the senate but it is Obamas' fault for everything that happened, yet Obama still is responsible for the results. Absolutely staggering logic on the part of teabagging bush* supporters.

bush* economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have caused our credit downgrad
 
sangha said:
Absolutely amazing how many people have so much time invested in the hatred of Obama and so little understanding of what he actually accomplished positively. None of that really matters today other than allowing wingnuts to divert from the problems we have today and the total disaster bush* has been for this country and our economy. Guess the rightwingers who want a nanny state are getting their wish and people who need a massive Federal Govt. to protect them from themself are getting exactly what they wanted. The classware and total economics and civic ignorance is staggering on the part of those who continue to support bsuh*. Republicans controlled the rthe house and the senate but it is Obamas' fault for everything that happened, yet Obama still is responsible for the results. Absolutely staggering logic on the part of teabagging bush* supporters.

bush* economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have caused our credit downgrad
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Sangha, you ever take another of my posts and change the words in it I will do what I have never done before, report you and do my best to get you kicked out of the thread.
 
DaveFagan said:
Yes indeedy, when you use a siphon hose to tap a septic tank, the results are predictable, as you certainly must now know. The Great GWSoupForBrains Depression is wholly owned by you and yours, the ones who supported his policies of ignorance, incompetence, corruption, greed, war, mayhem, torture, and lies.
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Perhaps you believe you are being clever. Or perhaps not.

Hoax and Chains, er, Hope and Change, are nice slogans. But they are no longer working with a population that has been forced to pay attention to the daily ramblings of the one term Marxist president Obama. They don't like what they see. The nicest part is that you don't even see your defeat coming.
 
Misterveritis said:
Perhaps you believe you are being clever. Or perhaps not.

Hoax and Chains, er, Hope and Change, are nice slogans. But they are no longer working with a population that has been forced to pay attention to the daily ramblings of the one term Marxist president Obama. They don't like what they see. The nicest part is that you don't even see your defeat coming.
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I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm more so not a GWBush supporter. I'm definitely not Republican oriented. Republicans screwed up the government, including the Supreme Court. I like Ron Paul. I'll vote third party this next election because I have seen the media build images of candidates instead of reality. Reality would tell us who owns each candidate. I just finished reading a NYTimes article on Iowa's straw poll and Ron Paul's name was not mentioned, but Perry and Romney were. Guess who the media has annointed as your new messiah?
 
DaveFagan said:
I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm more so not a GWBush supporter. I'm definitely not Republican oriented. Republicans screwed up the government, including the Supreme Court. I like Ron Paul. I'll vote third party this next election because I have seen the media build images of candidates instead of reality. Reality would tell us who owns each candidate. I just finished reading a NYTimes article on Iowa's straw poll and Ron Paul's name was not mentioned, but Perry and Romney were. Guess who the media has annointed as your new messiah?
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What purpose does it serve today to continue to bash GW Bush and distort his record while ignoring we are 2 1/2 eyars into the Obama Administration and in 2011 these are the economic results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
Conservative said:
Sangha, you ever take another of my posts and change the words in it I will do what I have never done before, report you and do my best to get you kicked out of the thread.
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You mad bro? Children will be treated as children.
 
DaveFagan said:
Guess who the media has annointed as your new messiah?
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I don't pay much attention to the state run media any more.

You might not have noticed, during all of your protests that you do not support the one term Marxist president Obama, but the Republican party does not always go for the anointed Messiah. If we had then J. McCain, the Republican in Name Only, would be our king today instead of the Marxist Monster (Okay, I just made that last part up because it sounded good).
 
Misterveritis said:
I don't pay much attention to the state run media any more.

You might not have noticed, during all of your protests that you do not support the one term Marxist president Obama, but the Republican party does not always go for the anointed Messiah. If we had then J. McCain, the Republican in Name Only, would be our king today instead of the Marxist Monster (Okay, I just made that last part up because it sounded good).
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What media is state run?I would love to see proof of this. :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
Conservative said:
What purpose does it serve today to continue to bash GW Bush and distort his record while ignoring we are 2 1/2 eyars into the Obama Administration and in 2011 these are the economic results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
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What purpose does it serve today to continue to bash Obama and distort his record while ignoring the bsuh* record and in 2011 these are the economic results

bush* economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded
 
Boo Radley said:
What media is state run?I would love to see proof of this. :lamo :lamo :lamo
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Why practically all of the failing media are state run. The ones making money today are the ones not controlled by the state.
 
sangha said:
What purpose does it serve today to continue to bash Obama and distort his record while ignoring the bsuh* record and in 2011 these are the economic results

bush* economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded
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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup
 
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