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Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

sangha said:
The "I'm runner you're glue" tactic!! No wonder your arguments were so childish and ignorant
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That's pretty funny coming from someone that posts something, then denies it 30 minutes later.

But I'm through playing your silly games. You can go back to your pizza in mom's basement now.
 
Gill said:
That's pretty funny coming from someone that posts something, then denies it 30 minutes later.
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More fictions from the rightwingers and of course, no proof for their claims. The denialism of rightwingers is so strong because the facts are against them. All they have is their absurd fictions.

But I'm through playing your silly games. You can go back to your pizza in mom's basement now.
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I accept your surrender! :lol:
 
nijato said:
Do you really think Obama is a Marxist? If so, you must 1) Not know what a Marxist is, or 2) Not realize that Obama is a business-as-usual American politician. I mean, Goldman Sachs was his #1 contributor for crying out loud! Are they Marxist too? Read some Marx... please.
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Yes. His core principles are Marx-inspired. He is intentionally damaging the free market system, using the instruments of government against the nation's people and its businesses.

I have read plenty of Radical Karl's nonsense. This one term president is taking us to socialism just as fast a he can. Radical Karl believed Marxists should push for a steeply progressive income tax. It is intended to wreck capitalist systems. And it works. Does anyone know of a one term president who is pushing for steeply progressive income taxes? What do you think his class warfare is all about?

I could go on but no one on this board is likely to change his or her mind. So I won't waste my time.
 
AdamT said:
No, I don't. But I support politicians who would impose higher tax rates uniformly. Paying higher taxes by myself would accomplish nothing.
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This is the mark of a low class hypocrite.
 
AdamT said:
Good for her! She must be making well into six figures to be paying at that rate. A lot of people would would be happy to suffer that kind of slavery.
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You have no clue about taxes do you?
 
New debt ceiling deal (8/2/2011)

The debt ceiling negotiation reveals one truth, that this nation is controlled by a covert dictatorship which represents the interest of a rich people group, and the so said law makers don't represent the voters any more.

1. The tax cut law was proposed and carried out by former present Bush. It is proved being a failed policy. In Bush's eight years term, the national debt raised from 6 trillian to 12 trillian. His tax cut law contributes big in debt increasing. Yet, when Obama wanted to recover the tax rate on rich people, the law makers resisted. It proves they are now working for a little group of rich people not for the majority of Americans.

2. War in Iraq and in Afghanistan is another factor to the deficit of the budget. US military expense and war expense add together almost equal to the total expense of all other countries in this world. That's an extra heavy burden of the American tax payers. The strange thing is nobody dares to speak out. No media, no politician dares to finger at it. It's another proof the US has become a covert dictatorship. In it media and politicians all are controlled by the Inside group. They no longer are the voice of people.

3. The victim of the new balance deal will be the American people. More people will lose their jobs and welfare aid in new budget. They will have less money to spend. How could economy recover in this foundation? The economy of US will continue remain in stagnation if not going worse.

4. The result of today's situation is people can't elect their own representatives. The government insiders have controlled the intelligence and the media. They select politicians of their own through rigged election. (because they control the intelligence) They justify the election result through the fake poll of the media.
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
A new poll by CBS News shows a majority of Americans - Democrat, Independent and Republican - prefer a combination of spending cuts and tax increases as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling. SO, when is the GOP going to catch up?
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No problem on a couple conditions, explain the following to me

Why did Democrats agree to $1 in tax increases for every $3 in spending cuts during the GHW Bush Administration and then renege on the spending cuts?

Explain to me how tax increases put 25 million unemployed or under employed Americans back to work full time paying full taxes?

Who pays those tax increases and does that change the 70 million income earning Americans who pay zero in Federal Income taxes forcing them to pay something?

Answer those to my satisfaction and I will agree with tax increases
 
Conservative said:
No problem on a couple conditions, explain the following to me

Why did Democrats agree to $1 in tax increases for every $3 in spending cuts during the GHW Bush Administration and then renege on the spending cuts?

Explain to me how tax increases put 25 million unemployed or under employed Americans back to work full time paying full taxes?

Who pays those tax increases and does that change the 70 million income earning Americans who pay zero in Federal Income taxes forcing them to pay something?

Answer those to my satisfaction and I will agree with tax increases
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At the end of the day we must pay our bills. So if the country elects a congress that wants to spend $3.8 trillion, then we should also have a congress that finds a way to pay for that. Perhaps the best way to curb spending is to insure that we have to cover that spending with taxes.

You would think that people could connect the dots on what is happening between our states. texas which is business and tax friendly has grown jobs, while my state of CT continues to raise taxes and suffer. People and companies have a choice on where they locate. The same is true with the Federal government. How much of mess would it be if corporate headquarters moved out of the country or if rich folks moved their residences outside the U.S.
 
washunut said:
At the end of the day we must pay our bills. So if the country elects a congress that wants to spend $3.8 trillion, then we should also have a congress that finds a way to pay for that. Perhaps the best way to curb spending is to insure that we have to cover that spending with taxes.

You would think that people could connect the dots on what is happening between our states. texas which is business and tax friendly has grown jobs, while my state of CT continues to raise taxes and suffer. People and companies have a choice on where they locate. The same is true with the Federal government. How much of mess would it be if corporate headquarters moved out of the country or if rich folks moved their residences outside the U.S.
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I have always said it is liberal arrogance even among themselves. Liberals always believe spending is necessary as a safety net for individuals that cannot take care of themselves yet not one have they ever defined how many that is. Liberal arrogance always claims that the last group of liberals didn't spend the money right and that we need a new group of liberals this time to do it right. Interest that no liberal ever gets it right.

TX is taking a lot of hits from those arrogant liberals yet TX continues to vote conservative and has grown the conservative ranks as the Nov. 2010 election showed. What that election also shows is that the liberal claims about TX are false and the people here actually get it. Personal responsibility exists in TX and Texans recognize it is the role of individuals to solve their own personal problems not the govt.

It really is a shame the education some are receiving today from leftwing professors who couldn't make it in the private sector.
 
katsung47 said:
New debt ceiling deal (8/2/2011)

The debt ceiling negotiation reveals one truth, that this nation is controlled by a covert dictatorship which represents the interest of a rich people group, and the so said law makers don't represent the voters any more.

1. The tax cut law was proposed and carried out by former present Bush. It is proved being a failed policy. In Bush's eight years term, the national debt raised from 6 trillian to 12 trillian. His tax cut law contributes big in debt increasing. Yet, when Obama wanted to recover the tax rate on rich people, the law makers resisted. It proves they are now working for a little group of rich people not for the majority of Americans.

2. War in Iraq and in Afghanistan is another factor to the deficit of the budget. US military expense and war expense add together almost equal to the total expense of all other countries in this world. That's an extra heavy burden of the American tax payers. The strange thing is nobody dares to speak out. No media, no politician dares to finger at it. It's another proof the US has become a covert dictatorship. In it media and politicians all are controlled by the Inside group. They no longer are the voice of people.

3. The victim of the new balance deal will be the American people. More people will lose their jobs and welfare aid in new budget. They will have less money to spend. How could economy recover in this foundation? The economy of US will continue remain in stagnation if not going worse.

4. The result of today's situation is people can't elect their own representatives. The government insiders have controlled the intelligence and the media. They select politicians of their own through rigged election. (because they control the intelligence) They justify the election result through the fake poll of the media.
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Yet with the exception of 2008 and 2001-2002 Federal Tax revenue grew after the complete execution of the Bush tax cuts. How do you explain it. You buy the liberal rhetoric yet ignore the actual results.
 
Conservative said:
Yet with the exception of 2008 and 2001-2002 Federal Tax revenue grew after the complete execution of the Bush tax cuts. How do you explain it. You buy the liberal rhetoric yet ignore the actual results.
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It's explained by the growth in GDP due to Clintons policies which created 22 million new jobs and 22 million new taxpayers. The reason we have a deficit now is due to bush*'s job destruction program, fueled by tax cuts and runaway spending.
 
sangha said:
It's explained by the growth in GDP due to Clintons policies which created 22 million new jobs and 22 million new taxpayers. The reason we have a deficit now is due to bush*'s job destruction program, fueled by tax cuts and runaway spending.
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Notice you never talk about the dot.com bubble bursting nor the fact that Clinton economic policies led to the Republicans taking over Congress in the 1994 elections. how convenient.

By the way the job creation for Clinton was 18 million jobs, not 22 million. Your leftwing sites distorted the record again just like those leftwing sites ignored the Clinton recession in March 2001. But again that is off thread topic.

Didn't Barack Obama inherit a AAA rating from Bush?
 
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Conservative said:
Notice you never talk about the dot.com bubble bursting nor the fact that Clinton economic policies led to the Republicans taking over Congress in the 1994 elections. how convenient
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I noticed that, as always, you can't refute what I said :lol:
 
sangha said:
It's explained by the growth in GDP due to Clintons policies which created 22 million new jobs and 22 million new taxpayers. The reason we have a deficit now is due to bush*'s job destruction program, fueled by tax cuts and runaway spending.
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And yet there is a reasonable, alternative view:

. . . it is more accurate to say that the economy in the 1990s continued growing strong despite the tax increases! In fact, the economy was strong enough before Congress voted on the tax bill that it was able to digest the tax increases which were signed August 10, 1993. Let's look at the numbers as to how things were following the downturn of two decades ago.

The economy was out of recession in March of 1991. This is em, er...before Clinton announced in October of that year that he was running for president, and almost two and a half years before President Clinton signed his tax law.
In the twelve months leading up to the tax signing (August 1992-July 1993), the economy gained 2,023,000 jobs, which is 168,000 jobs per month. To put things into perspective: in the four years during which Democrats recently controlled Congress, we did not have a twelve-month period where the economy gained 100,000 jobs on a monthly average, let alone 168,000 to meet an economy of fifteen years earlier.
In the six months (February-July 1993) leading up to the tax signing, the monthly average job gain was already 208,000, which shows that the economy was growing stronger by the month, well before the bill was signed.
The unemployment rate peaked July 1992 -- more than six months before Clinton stepped into the Oval Office, and more than twelve months before Congress voted on the tax bill. In fact, the rate lost almost a full percentage point in the twelve months leading up to the tax signing.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average reached a low (of less than 2,400) in October 1990, and then things turned around, which is em...say...three years before your Clinton taxes "gave us" a good economy!
From its recession low of minus 2,400, the Dow grew almost 50% to approximately 3,600 before we got to August 1993. This amounts to a 16% annual gain if any Dem had his/her money in an Index fund piggybacked to the Dow.
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The Clinton Tax Myth (Clinton raised taxes on the top earners and then gained 22 million jobs?)
 
Boo Radley said:
Pretty much. Never underestimate the human ability to make anything souond like something else. I just wish those who did this were more original. These type of scare tatics are as old as the union.
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And Marxism (and communism) have always had their useful idiots to help move history along...
 
sangha said:
Yes, when my familys' bill exceed our income, the first thing I do is work fewer hours for less pay. Isn't that what every family does? :roll:
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Your metaphor fails you.
Lowering tax rates permanently increases economic activity. That in turn increases tax revenues.
 
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