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Poll: Debt ceiling deal should include cuts and tax increases

Gill said:
True, but irrelevant.
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No, it's not irrelevant. One can roll up a pretty good fortune over 30 years simply by compounding the interest on a nice inheritance. Takes money to make money and all that.
 
AdamT said:
No, it's not irrelevant. One can roll up a pretty good fortune over 30 years simply by compounding the interest on a nice inheritance. Takes money to make money and all that.
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If you have any information claiming that the Koch brothers sit around and play no active part in the management of their various corporations, I'd love to see it.

From everything I've read about them, they play a very active role in their many companies.

Unless you have information that they have not dramatically increased the value of the companies, your retort is irrelevant.
 
Gill said:
If you have any information claiming that the Koch brothers sit around and play no active part in the management of their various corporations, I'd love to see it.

From everything I've read about them, they play a very active role in their many companies.

Unless you have information that they have not dramatically increased the value of the companies, your retort is irrelevant.
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I have never claimed that they didn't help grow the company. I'm simply pointing out that it's a lot easier to grow a decent-sized company that you've inherited from your father than it is to make it on your own. Do you disagree?
 
LesGovt said:
This is too nonsensical. Do you think the media would cover me or you if we said went to them denouncing [in your casing loving] the deficits and the debt. Get real!
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You alone? No

But thanks for proving that there were so few "consevatives" complaining about the debt ceiling...at least until a dem was in the white house
 
Gill said:
true, but they increased the companies' worth thousands of times over since they took over almost 30 years ago. They didn't exactly inherit the money and the company, then sit back and do nothing.
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You mean like the execs at Lehman Bros?
 
Gill said:
If you have any information claiming that the Koch brothers sit around and play no active part in the management of their various corporations, I'd love to see it.

From everything I've read about them, they play a very active role in their many companies.

Unless you have information that they have not dramatically increased the value of the companies, your retort is irrelevant.
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The Koch brothers made the money by buying natural resources from the govt at subsidized prices
 
AdamT said:
I have never claimed that they didn't help grow the company. I'm simply pointing out that it's a lot easier to grow a decent-sized company that you've inherited from your father than it is to make it on your own. Do you disagree?
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So your issue is with your father?

It's a lot easier to get better grades when your mother taught you basic mathematics, reading, writing, etc., by age 4. Are you saying we should not teach our kids that way?

Have the Koch's forced you to pay them money or something that we're not being made aware of?
 
Mach said:
So your issue is with your father?

It's a lot easier to get better grades when your mother taught you basic mathematics, reading, writing, etc., by age 4. Are you saying we should not teach our kids that way?

Have the Koch's forced you to pay them money or something that we're not being made aware of?
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WHy dont you address what has actually been said?
 
sangha said:
You mean like the execs at Lehman Bros?
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No, Lehman Brothers was a public corporation and went bankrupt.

Koch is private and very profitable.

Any more questions ??
 
sangha said:
The Koch brothers made the money by buying natural resources from the govt at subsidized prices
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You should spend more time reading actual sources rather than Daily Kos.
 
Mach said:
So your issue is with your father?

It's a lot easier to get better grades when your mother taught you basic mathematics, reading, writing, etc., by age 4. Are you saying we should not teach our kids that way?

Have the Koch's forced you to pay them money or something that we're not being made aware of?
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Why do you have a problem admitting that it's a big advantage to inherit a company, relative to not inheriting one. I should think it's so obvious it's hardly worth mentioning.
 
Gill said:
No, Lehman Brothers was a public corporation and went bankrupt.

Koch is private and very profitable.

Any more questions ??
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But the execs at Lehman (and Goldman Sachs, and AIG, etc) made off with millions while losing billions and in some cases, bringing their corps down. Kind of contradicts your claim about how the wealthy made their money by building their employers business up

And the Kock bros. depended on inheritance and govt largesse to make their money. Again, not an example of adding value. More like stealing from the people
 
I prefer spending cuts over tax increases, but I can deal with both.
 
sangha said:
But the execs at Lehman (and Goldman Sachs, and AIG, etc) made off with millions while losing billions and in some cases, bringing their corps down. Kind of contradicts your claim about how the wealthy made their money by building their employers business up

And the Kock bros. depended on inheritance and govt largesse to make their money. Again, not an example of adding value. More like stealing from the people
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Goldman never lost billions, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
 
sangha said:
The Koch brothers made the money by buying natural resources from the govt at subsidized prices
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Did Koch industries do anything illegal?
 
sangha said:
And the Kock bros. depended on inheritance and govt largesse to make their money. Again, not an example of adding value. More like stealing from the people
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I take it you are intimately acquainted with the Koch family even though you do not know how to spell their name. Charles Koch became Chairman of Koch Industries 44 years ago. Since you know them so well, please answer a couple simple questions for me about Koch Industries:

When his father stepped down as the leader of the company, what were the total revenues of Koch Industries and what are they today?
How many people did Koch Industries employ in 1967 when Charles took over and how many do they have today?

Thanks.
 
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sangha said:
The Koch brothers made the money by buying natural resources from the govt at subsidized prices
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You got a link for that? A real link, not Leftist nut-job conspiracy trufer/warmer website.
 
LesGovt said:
I take it you are intimately acquainted with the Koch family even though you do not know how to spell their name. Charles Koch became Chairman of Koch Industries 44 years ago. Since you know them so well, please answer a couple simple questions for me about Koch Industries:

When his father stepped down as the leader of the company, what were the total revenues of Koch Industries and what are they today?
How many people did Koch Industries employ in 1967 when Charles took over and how many do they have today?

Thanks.
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I have no need to prove anything to you with your irrelevant and absurd questions. If you can't refute what I said, your nonsense questions are going to get you anywhere. Neither is pointing out a type
 
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